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^^^^^ TFM is still only 18? I knew Tuanzebe was just outside the age bracket this year but why in the World wasn't Fosu-Mensah playing yesterday in the Youth Cup?

Don't understand why you'd deprive him of his last chance to do that. And lesson your own chances in the competition. Made even stranger by the fact he's barely featured this year for the first team. I get he's part of the first team squad and training with them/ making the bench at times. But this is the prestigious FA Youth Cup for Pete's sake.

Personally think it's terribly harsh for him not to have that one last opportunity to participate. I'd be very disappointed from a L'pool perspective if both Ovie Ejaria and Trent Alexander-Arnold don't drop back down the U-18's for one last shot at Youth Cup glory in their last season of eligibility.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
Wanyama would be the worst replacement for Carrick, they are nothing a like. It's good to see Herrera get the credit he deserves this season, especially by the media and pundits. Been fantastic. That Dave blokes channel is good.
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Wanyama is good at what he does, bad at what he can't do like Scouse said and he's not great on the ball as I mentioned before. But he does cover his fullback well and he is a brute with his physicality. It's not the worst idea ever but personally I just look at TFM and think we have someone who can be as good if not better.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
^^^^^ TFM is still only 18? I knew Tuanzebe was just outside the age bracket this year but why in the World wasn't Fosu-Mensah playing yesterday in the Youth Cup?

Don't understand why you'd deprive him of his last chance to do that. And lesson your own chances in the competition. Made even stranger by the fact he's barely featured this year for the first team. I get he's part of the first team squad and training with them/ making the bench at times. But this is the prestigious FA Youth Cup for Pete's sake.

Personally think it's terribly harsh for him not to have that one last opportunity to participate. I'd be very disappointed from a L'pool perspective if both Ovie Ejaria and Trent Alexander-Arnold don't drop back down the U-18's for one last shot at Youth Cup glory in their last season of eligibility.
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Deprive him? How do you know the goings on inside the club? I would be ****** off if I were Whelan, Hamilton, Buffonge if I got dropped after being fantastic all season!
 
zzeezzy said:
Wanyama is good at what he does, bad at what he can't do like Scouse said and he's not great on the ball as I mentioned before. But he does cover his fullback well and he is a brute with his physicality. It's not the worst idea ever but personally I just look at TFM and think we have someone who can be as good if not better.
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TFM defo has the potential to be better than any of our CMs even on Pogbas level. Just doesn't have the creative skill going forward.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
Deprive him? How do you know the goings on inside the club? I would be ****** off if I were Whelan, Hamilton, Buffonge if I got dropped after being fantastic all season!
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WOOOOOO!. Wind yer neck back in there fella'.

Just my opinion. He wasn't involved and I feel sorry for him being as it's his last ever chance in the Youth Cup. I don't know nor care what Utd's reasoning would be. That's their concern. But he missed out and it's not like he's been participating the first team to any great degree that you wouldn't want to risk him. The same as I would for both of our lads quietly establishing themselves the first team squad in their last season of eligibility, A-A and Ejaria.

It might seem little to you but it's an opportunity he's not getting again. The way I look at it, I'd want to give them all the last chance of that experience.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
WOOOOOO!. Wind yer neck back in there fella'.

Just my opinion. He wasn't involved and I feel sorry for him being as it's his last ever chance in the Youth Cup. I don't know nor care what Utd's reasoning would be. That's their concern. But he missed out and it's not like he's been participating the first team to any great degree that you wouldn't want to risk him. The same as I would for both of our lads quietly establishing themselves the first team squad in their last season of eligibility, A-A and Ejaria.

It might seem little to you but it's an opportunity he's not getting again. The way I look at it, I'd want to give them all the last chance of that experience.
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Lol what! I was asking a question as I thought you had read something about him being left out that I missed. Sensitive souls on here ;) Hopefully he gets more mins this season and is impressing enough in training to force himself for next season. I know Mou has been very impressed with Andreas on loan and has spoke with him after each match, giving him advice and praise. Think he is doing a good job of earning his way into the squad for next season from what I've read.
 
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Bujakaa said:
There are some very good and eye opening articles. It is based in US, so not many story's about football in EU.
If you haven't read I think you like this also.
For Rome | The Players' Tribune
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The Players' Tribune is awesome, not just for football either. Another site with excellent in-depth articles is "These Football Times", it's a magazine but they publish all of their articles online too and they're really high quality

These Football Times
 
Apparently we have deals in place to sign univar and zimani, from Ajax in the summer and De Rigt has been key in getting these players and highly recommended them to McKenna and ****.
 
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2016/04...esses-and-insight-into-ajax-youngster-147536/

Daishawn Redan profile: Strengths, weaknesses and insight into Ajax youngster

Daishawn Redan. It looks like every big club in the world is scouting him, including Manchester United, but Redan is a name to remember.

Ajax’s U17s haven’t had the best of seasons but Redan is one of the brighter players. Redan came to Ajax in 2009/2010 as an eight-year-old and he scored 44 goals in his first season which he later repeated in the 2013/2014 season by once again scoring 44 times, this time for the U14s. Redan is now 15 but plays for Ajax’s U17s.

Redan is a real goal-getter who can also play as a left winger. Not only does he score a lot for Ajax but he has an amazing goalscoring record of ten goals in 12 matches for the Dutch youth teams.

Who is Daishawn Redan?

Born of 2 February 2001, Redan is a right-footed player who mostly operates as a striker but he can also do a good job out on the left wing. This kid can do it all. He’s a poacher who is very strong on the ball and he also has a very good natural dribble. He can hold up the play as a striker and also creates chances either for himself or for his team-mates in both positions. As well as that, Redan has a decent left foot which means he has got great versatility on the wing and can either cut inside to shoot or go out wide and fire in a cross.

Something that was introduced by the great Johan Cruijff, when he started “Plan Cruijff” at Ajax some years ago, was to teach every academy player both English and Spanish in order to make it a lot easier for Redan or any other player from Ajax to adapt to a new club. Through forward thinking, Ajax really do set up their youngsters in the best way possible.

Redan also has a very good mentality off the pitch. You’ll hear nothing but good words from the coaches at Ajax. He tracks back, fights hard even when his team isn’t playing well and has often been a saviour for the U17s by scoring a goal out of nowhere.

Strengths

Redan has excellent vision both in knowing where his team-mates are and when/where to make runs. He doesn’t need to look at the ball while dribbling and has a natural poachers instinct in front of goal. As I said earlier, Redan is very strong on the ball and create chances for himself and his team-mates regularly. Redan is also very quick and is good at getting away from his marker so because of that he can turn very quickly, helping make him very unpredictable and difficult to mark.

I would say that this season, he has found his level with the U17s but in my opinion if Man United did bring him in, he could be the striker for our U18s despite only being 15 because of his strength on the ball, his vision and his mentality of always working hard and wanting to improve – as well as, of course, being prolific in front of goal.

Points to improve

Redan is a very complete player in terms of his strengths but still has some points to improve and develop. I am not saying these points are necessarily bad but if he really wants to be one of the best in the world, these are the points he needs to work on. Due to his dribbling and pace, Redan can often get himself into situations where he can create chances for his team-mates but his final delivery isn’t always the best. That will of course improve with age as he’s got so much more to develop naturally.

Redan is not very tall but he could score even more goals if he improves his heading because he doesn’t always convert good heading opportunities. Also, Redan works very hard but sometimes tends to be a bit too harsh on his team-mates, this isn’t always a very bad thing but in my opinion he blames his team-mates a bit too often and this has been pointed this out by his coaches already, so the staff at Ajax have been working on this.

How good can he be?

His English skills would help him adapt so much quicker in England and the importance of that can’t be underestimated, especially for a youngster. Redan has a lot of talent and would be a very good recruitment by United if it happened. With Nicky **** already having said that United are looking all over the world for talent, Redan is certainly one our scouts should be keeping an eye on.

Marcel Bout, our now head scout was at the Marveld Tournament in May watching Ajax and Zamani was not at that tournament because of injury.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
We are doing. Nearly all academies these days have a mixture at all age levels.
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In the last 2 seasons it seems like you guys keep getting more youth from Ajax. I wouldn't know for sure but if this transfer goes through that's already the 3rd player from Ajax youth acadamy I reckon. Then there is the kid from Feyenoord. And those are only players from the Netherlands.

I mean it's cool that later you could call those players home-grown by the time they break through, but it isn't like a kid from the area of Manchester breaking through or even England.

Anyways, not much Ajax can do about it except beating you this and next year in the Europa League (if Ajax won't become champions and qualify for the Champion's League) :P
 
lxl Ra lxl said:
In the last 2 seasons it seems like you guys keep getting more youth from Ajax. I wouldn't know for sure but if this transfer goes through that's already the 3rd player from Ajax youth acadamy I reckon. Then there is the kid from Feyenoord. And those are only players from the Netherlands.

I mean it's cool that later you could call those players home-grown by the time they break through, but it isn't like a kid from the area of Manchester breaking through or even England.

Anyways, not much Ajax can do about it except beating you this and next year in the Europa League (if Ajax won't become champions and qualify for the Champion's League) :P
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If these deals go through it will be 4 from Ajax in the space of 2 years. In a perfect world everyone would like to bring players from local areas, but it just ain't possible especially with big clubs so close with one another.

We we do have some good talent of our own coming through or British should I say. Gomes, Buffonge, Gribbin, Warren, Williams, Tuanzebe, Poole, Riley, Willock, Harrop, Goss, Greenwood, Oconner, Barlow.
 
djs1 said:
only time will tell if hes overrated in terms of ability.
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Ability is what you're capable of doing right now. Not what you might be able to do in the future.
From what I have seen, his current ability is overrated.
 
lxl Ra lxl said:
Can't you develop your own talent? :(
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Joking aside, what's more worrying from your POV I would imagine is that kids are being tempted away from even Ajax now at a real young age.

There's still NO better football education than the one in Amsterdam. And you invariably get your big move abroad very quickly when you reach the first team (which comes early by the very nature of the Ajax way) as Ajax, like all Dutch clubs, have to sell to survive. So to have them leaving at 15/16 for immediate riches elsewhere .....

Sad indictment of the way things currently are in football.
 
Anthony said:
Ability is what you're capable of doing right now. Not what you might be able to do in the future.
From what I have seen, his current ability is overrated.
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What have you seen Anthony? His sporadic one off gametime here and there in the first team?

Jeez man, he's not overrated he is one of our best young prospects. But he needs two things: -

1) Some sustained playing time without appearing once here and there.

2) A constant position, none of this utility lark. I've been very impressed personally, done an effective job I've seem him in first team at RB and CB, shifting isn't easy.
 
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