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So even if the higher ups at the club believed he could turn things around, couldn't they have constructed a concrete plan in the event that things didn't? We just had a 2 week international break which would've been a prime opportunity (as Scouse alluded to) to organize a succession plan but they just sat on their arses and hoped for a miraculous turn around? Now, we're basically scrambling through a list of unrealistic targets while keeping the same backroom staff that Solskjaer delegated coaching responsibilities to. We have a crucial CL tie in 2 days and Chelsea on Saturday.

We are basically run like a championship team.
 
AlcIsBack said:
Personally, don't get all the fuss with Ten Hag. He has won a couple of Dutch league titles but thats it. Does anyone remember how the last highly rated manager from Ajax (who won numerous league titles) did in the EPL? Hint: Google Frank De Boer

Also dont even get me started on Rodgers. Good manager but is he really at the level to which United aspire to? Multiple top 4 finishes bottled. Numerous home defeats since last season.
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De Boar is a weird one. I remember CP played well for a lot of their games but couldn't finish a meal to save their lives.

He was trying to implement that total football style of play but forgot he didnt have the creative players to implement that style.

Edit: or perhaps he's a football relic
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
So what! When the bench was shown Ole 9 times out of 10 completely ignored him and spoke with
Phelan or Carrick. And McKenna often cut a frustrated face. Most probably wasn’t Ole choice and didn’t fit in with Ole old boy club. Like Phelan, Carrick, Fletcher and his other staff he already worked with at previous clubs.
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Legend Incredible said:
So even if the higher ups at the club believed he could turn things around, couldn't they have constructed a concrete plan in the event that things didn't? We just had a 2 week international break which would've been a prime opportunity (as Scouse alluded to) to organize a succession plan but they just sat on their arses and hoped for a miraculous turn around? Now, we're basically scrambling through a list of unrealistic targets while keeping the same backroom staff that Solskjaer delegated coaching responsibilities to. We have a crucial CL tie in 2 days and Chelsea on Saturday.

We are basically run like a championship team.
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Its incompetence to the highest degree. Now they just have to pray that Pochettino becomes available in the summer. Otherwise got to roll wih Zidane/Rodgers/Ten Hag and hope for the best!
 
Legend Incredible said:
De Boar is a weird one. I remember CP played well for a lot of their games but couldn't finish a meal to save their lives.

He was trying to implement that total football style of play but forgot he didnt have the creative players to implement that style.
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Also since when was winning a couple of dutch league titles a good enough cv to manage United? Shows you how far standards have fallen since Fergie left.
 
AlcIsBack said:
Also since when was winning a couple of dutch league titles a good enough cv to manage United? Shows you how far standards have fallen since Fergie left.
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I mean, Pochettino has been my prime candidate for years now and he hasn't won anything of note 🤣
 
Legend Incredible said:
So even if the higher ups at the club believed he could turn things around, couldn't they have constructed a concrete plan in the event that things didn't? We just had a 2 week international break which would've been a prime opportunity (as Scouse alluded to) to organize a succession plan but they just sat on their arses and hoped for a miraculous turn around? Now, we're basically scrambling through a list of unrealistic targets while keeping the same backroom staff that Solskjaer delegated coaching responsibilities to. We have a crucial CL tie in 2 days and Chelsea on Saturday.

We are basically run like a championship team.
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Staggering isn't it? I'd be struggling to be celebrating the PE Teacher going were I a Utd fan when the outcome now is '****! What do we do now? Anyone? ..... '

As much as it hurts to hear, especially from your biggest rivals (I feel your pain. I've been there) the Glazers have turned Utd into a continued laughing stock.

I mentioned they were one of the biggest clubs in the World a few posts up. But the longer you get away from even challenging for major honours, the less weight the name of the club carries as generations move on. (Again, been there. Done that.). We're fast approaching a decade since Ferguson's last title. Which before you know it, when the level of base incompetence to repeatedly make the same mistakes is THIS high right through the football club, 10 years becomes 15 becomes 20 etc. And then you're staring at another 27 year or longer title drought.

It's hard to countenance, with the financial resources available, and having the blueprint of how NOT to do things from most of the PL Liverpool, Utd could even begin to get on such a run again.Yet here we are. With the club as far away from the very top clubs since probably back in '86 when Ferguson took over.

You'll end up surpassing our 30 years f the Glazers remain that long.
 
woolly said:
You forget Fergie only won a couple of Scottish league titles, the Scottish Cup and a Cup Winners cup none of which are exactly elite level (ok so he broke the Celtic/Rangers stranglehold but the Cup Winners Cup to be fair was the European competition with the lowest standing.
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The Cup Winners was a **** to win mate TBF given every major club took the domestic Cup seriously back then and invariably won it.

I get what you’re saying but that and the UEFA Cup were oft times a higher quality than the big one. Ridiculous what Aberdeen and Dundee United did in Europe the early to mid ‘80’s.
 
woolly said:
You forget Fergie only won a couple of Scottish league titles, the Scottish Cup and a Cup Winners cup none of which are exactly elite level (ok so he broke the Celtic/Rangers stranglehold but the Cup Winners Cup to be fair was the European competition with the lowest standing.
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Fergie was a once-in-a-generation manager. You cant keep hoping that history will repeat itself again. When they arrived, United fans thought Ole or Moyes would be the next Ferguson. Look how that turned out.
 
He got Ajax to multiple 1/4 and 1/2 finals i CL, something none od United 'big name' managers could do. That itself is enough.
 
Legend Incredible said:
I mean, Pochettino has been my prime candidate for years now and he hasn't won anything of note 🤣
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Pochettino made Spurs a consistent Top 4 club in the hardest league in the world with zero resources. Thats much much harder than winning the Dutch league with the most successful Dutch team of all time.
 
AlcIsBack said:
Pochettino made Spurs a consistent Top 4 club in the hardest league in the world with zero resources. Thats much much harder than winning the Dutch league with the most successful Dutch team of all time.
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It's a whole other discussion that we don't need to think about until 2024 at the earliest, but if we were to look outside the club for the successor to Jürgen, as of now, he's the only man not currently at the club I'd be all over.
 
AlcIsBack said:
Pochettino made Spurs a consistent Top 4 club in the hardest league in the world with zero resources. Thats much much harder than winning the Dutch league with the most successful Dutch team of all time.
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Context though. He bottles every big chance they have at finally pushing his spurs team to the next level (Leicester winning that season was an absolute bottle job). His side got progressively worse as the seasons went on and that CL run papered over the cracks of a woeful 18 months they were having. Also, he complained about not being backed in the transfer window but the moment Mitchell left and Levy gave more control to Poch in terms of signings it went downhill fast, the dross he kept signing are still at Spurs and has hamstrung the club today. Is he a decent manager probably yes but he won't be the savior united are hoping for as he has clear weaknesses that won't be alleviated as the structure he is coming into at united won't have changed and it seems Poch still has the same weaknesses at PSG.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
It's a whole other discussion that we don't need to think about until 2024 at the earliest, but if we were to look outside the club for the successor to Jürgen, as of now, he's the only man not currently at the club I'd be all over.
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Oh god **** no Scouse id rather brings back Rodgers (yes you heard me) than have poch and his love for signing any physical player with zero technique that can run for days options. Vastly overrated and he would set us back years, wed have sissoko regens playing midfield for us and spending 60 mill on the like of lo celso who cant pass more than 5 yards.

edit: Turned down Bruno and Tielemans to sign the overweight Ndombele and Lo celso.
 
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dilakh2 said:
Oh god **** no Scouse id rather brings back Rodgers (yes you heard me) than have poch and his love for signing any physical player with zero technique that can run for days options. Vastly overrated and he would set us back years, wed have sissoko regens playing midfield for us and spending 60 mill on the like of lo celso who cant pass more than 5 yards.
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If you can name me a more like-for-like, person first, players manager with a similar ethos to Jürgen in both how his sides play football and his view on what a football club should be, I'd love to hear of him mate? Who's also massive on youth development and that pathway which we are all about as a club too. FWIW, Lallana for one puts him right up there with Klopp as the best players coach he's ever encountered.

I think you're being ridiculously harsh on his time at Tottenham and being a little economical with how it actually went. But there's no need to revisit all that.

As it happen's, ala what's happening with Edwards, I think we're totally looking to go back to the arl Bootroom philosophy of promoting from within and Pep's being steadily given more responsibility to prepare him for the job so it liable to be a moot discussion regardless.

But the bottom line is who ever Julian Ward, presume he's still the Sporting Director/ GM at the time, deems to be the perfect fit for what we do and stand for, I'm sound with that.

Trust the system.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
If you can name me a more like-for-like, person first, players manager with a similar ethos to Jürgen in both how his sides play football and his view on what a football club should be, I'd love to hear of him mate? FWIW, Lallana for one puts him right up there with Klopp as the best players coach he's ever encountered.

I think you're being ridiculously harsh on his time at Tottenham and being a little economical with how it actually went. But there's no need to revisit all that.

As it happen's, ala what's happening with Edwards, I think we're totally looking to go back to the arl Bootroom philosophy of promoting from within and Pep's being steadily given more responsibility to prepare him for the job so it liable to be a moot discussion regardless.
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Lallana probably rates him highly because he was the only coach that let him do 50 cryuff spins on the same spot instead of picking a pass out. Took Klopp and the coaches god knows how long to limit him to only 10 cryuff spins on the same spot lmao. All joke aside I don't think he and Klopp have the same ethos (how they counter press is different and the positional play in is different) I got to watch many games at old white hart lane during the Poch era and the great start when he had a team hand-picked for him by Mitchell the DOF at the time and Poch strikes me as the type of manager that if he is left to coach he can be good but once left to his own devices it will go bad quick. His reliance on physical players and consistent bottling is not something I want anywhere near Liverpool. He is in the Rodgers category for me although I rate Rodgers as an excellent coach who improves players, they both need structure above them and both carry the same weaknesses in not being able to get across the line when it matters. Anyway, it doesn't matter because by 2024 the football landscape could be different completely. The one manager who I rate above all is that wizard Potter at Brighton who has punched above his weight and is next up for me.
 
Mad to me how you can baulk at Pocchetino. But yet want someone cut from the same cloth in Potter. 🤷‍♂️

But this is all moot as we have another 3 season's after this one of Klopp.

At the very least.
 
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