The Manchester United Thread

Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Yep. Now let’s announce Ruud and Hake and get ready for pre season and the coming season.

Lads return to training next week. Strange one as most players are likely to be sold, potentially sold and still in talks for having there 1yr extension triggered. Pretty much all the squad that are guaranteed to stay are at tournaments. And our potential new signings won’t even be on the tour due to this reason.

Gonna be a pretty big juggling act to see us through the start of the seasons early run of games.
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So circling back on this, we really just triggered the +1 option on his existing contract so not much of a vote in confidence. Almost like the club are threading lightly and bringing in 2 head coaches to fill in as assistant coaches just screams contingency planning. We just have to be prepared that on the first sign of things getting bad, Ten Hag is off
 
Legend Incredible said:
So circling back on this, we really just triggered the +1 option on his existing contract so not much of a vote in confidence. Almost like the club are threading lightly and bringing in 2 head coaches to fill in as assistant coaches just screams contingency planning. We just have to be prepared that on the first sign of things getting bad, Ten Hag is off
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Yeah just read that. I still think they trust him but are protecting themselves business wise incase. They could have easily sacked him. They haven’t and they have brought in 2 coaches he’s asked for. And he’s still having a huge say on transfer targets. Defo won’t be hear long if we are as bad as last season.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
...Defo won’t be hear long if we are as bad as last season.
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I reckon if he has a faltering start to the season he’s gone. None of that “it’s only 10 games” excuse as it’ll been seen as a continuation of last season. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s gone by October so he’s on a very short leash
 
Legend Incredible said:
I reckon if he has a faltering start to the season he’s gone. None of that “it’s only 10 games” excuse as it’ll been seen as a continuation of last season. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s gone by October so he’s on a very short
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Yeah agree and rightly so. Hopefully we have a season similar to his 1st then build from there.
 
Legend Incredible said:
I reckon if he has a faltering start to the season he’s gone. None of that “it’s only 10 games” excuse as it’ll been seen as a continuation of last season. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s gone by October so he’s on a very short leash
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That would be even dumber than them S out of doing what they wanted before the Cup final and binning him.

They aren't shelling out for new staff members he specifically wants, and new players he still has the final vito on this summer, to then bin him mid-season. INEOS have handled most of their early tenure really poorly, but Ratcliffe is a business man and kicking in the extension makes perfect business sense for at least a year. After they bungled keeping him that bad, there was no way they were gonna' get talks done before the season started on an extension. So triggering the extension gives all sides breathing room to see how year three plays out.

He won't be gone through this season or this is utterly F'ed more than usual under the Glazers.
 
Just on that women’s news on the training facilities. That’s Ashworths work there for sure.

Also apparently he’s had the biggest say on ETH staying according to Andy Mitten on talk of the devils.
 
Right now the main structure is in place above the manager and with his coaching staff ( still expect more changes in regard to fitness, physio, Scouting, Data staff ) it’s time to look at this mess of a squad.

Players already left:

LB Alvaro Fernandez 6m Benfica
AM Omari Forson, CB Raphael Varane, RB Brandon Williams, STR Anthony Martial.

Currently in talks with extending CB Jonny Evans, LW Shola Shortire.

Already signed an extension GK ToM Heaton.

Guaranteed to stay imo:

GKs Onana, Bendir, Heaton
RB Dalot
LB Shaw, Malacia
CB Martinez, Kambwala
CM Mount, Mainoo, Fernandes
LRW Garnacho, Amad, Antony, Rashford
STR Højlund

Possibly leaving:

RB AWB
CBs Maguire
CMs Amarabat, McTominey, Gore, Hannibal, Eriksen
LWR Pellistri
STR Hugill

Defo leaving:

CB Linderlof
CM Casemiro, Donny
LRW Sancho
STR Greenwood


Potential ins so far:

CB De Ligt
CM Urgarte
STR Zirkzee
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
They aren't shelling out for new staff members he specifically wants, and new players he still has the final vito on this summer, to then bin him mid-season.
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His new assistants who also happen to have managerial experience (impressive ones at that). Can’t be a mere coincidence considering Ten Hag fought tooth and nail to keep Mitchell Van Der Gaag from joining Ajax earlier. To let him go this easily seems rather suspicious to me at least.
Scouseinthehouse said:
INEOS have handled most of their early tenure really poorly, but Ratcliffe is a business man and kicking in the extension makes perfect business sense for at least a year. After they bungled keeping him that bad, there was no way they were gonna' get talks done before the season started on an extension. So triggering the extension gives all sides breathing room to see how year three plays out.

He won't be gone through this season or this is utterly F'ed more than usual under the Glazers.
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The glazers gave Jose Mourinho & Solkjaer new contracts (not extensions, new contracts) and fired both months afterwards…highly doubt firing Ten Hag mid season would top that. That said, the extension definitely gives both parties breathing room. It gives INEOS more time to assess if Ten Hag is truly fit for the job. Idk much about their managerial preferences but I bet you if their preferred choice becomes available and Ten Hag continues on from last season, they won’t hesitate to pull the trigger
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
CB De Ligt
CM Urgarte
STR Zirkzee
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De Ligt is a target I’m not 100% sold on and I can’t quite put my finger on why. He’s got all the makings and attributes to make a fine center half (not to mention a leader as well) but I do feel he’s still carrying that “prospect CB” aura about him since his Ajax days and he’s 24. Not to mention I don’t think he’ll be a good fit with Martinez (both are stopper types that like to get stuck in). Lastly, his injury record.

What do you all think? I wouldn’t mind him on reasonable wages and <£40 million
 
Anthony said:
“Everyone knows Alex Ferguson and I had our differences, believe me. But the fella managed one of the biggest clubs in the world, from daily training, signing players to youth development. He ran the club top to bottom for 26 years, doing everything with huge success, so when I heard Klopp was tired after coaching some players for 9 years of relative mediocrity, with only one league title in that time, I thought give me a break. Tired? Really? Come off it man. He has endless staff, directors of football and all that malarkey. Players and managers have it cushy these days and have no rights to complain, especially about being tired.”

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I do not usually agree with Keane, but he is onto something. While at Liverpool, Klopp won 8 throphies. United in the same period won 5 (United did not win CL, WCC or PL) and that is seen unbelivable achivement, while United is often seen as failure. United finished above Liverpool in 4 of those 9 seasons, while having some of the worst results since relegation. Just shows how big United is compared to any other club not named Real Madrid. Expecations are sky high and unless you win, and even then, they look at them as 'could've done more'.

But there's a reason Sir Alex is the best ever. Not everyone can live football like he did. Klopp should never be compared with someone like Sir Alex, or even Wenger.
This is not some critisism on Klopp, he's having amazing career, still young and most important is, not everyone is the same.
 
Legend Incredible said:
De Ligt is a target I’m not 100% sold on and I can’t quite put my finger on why. He’s got all the makings and attributes to make a fine center half (not to mention a leader as well) but I do feel he’s still carrying that “prospect CB” aura about him since his Ajax days and he’s 24. Not to mention I don’t think he’ll be a good fit with Martinez (both are stopper types that like to get stuck in). Lastly, his injury record.

What do you all think? I wouldn’t mind him on reasonable wages and <£40 million
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Cosidering de Ligt is behind van Dijk, who's way behind his prime, and de Vrij, who's playing on one leg - not to metion Bayern are rather easily letting hime go, is red flag for me.
 
Legend Incredible said:
His new assistants who also happen to have managerial experience (impressive ones at that). Can’t be a mere coincidence considering Ten Hag fought tooth and nail to keep Mitchell Van Der Gaag from joining Ajax earlier. To let him go this easily seems rather suspicious to me at least.

The glazers gave Jose Mourinho & Solkjaer new contracts (not extensions, new contracts) and fired both months afterwards…highly doubt firing Ten Hag mid season would top that. That said, the extension definitely gives both parties breathing room. It gives INEOS more time to assess if Ten Hag is truly fit for the job. Idk much about their managerial preferences but I bet you if their preferred choice becomes available and Ten Hag continues on from last season, they won’t hesitate to pull the trigger
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I had to rethink this as looked at the assistant coach point from a different angle: they might just be trying to give Ten Hag the best environment possible to succeed. Still TBD on recruitment but if that aspect goes well (big IF) then you can’t say Ten Hag wasn’t setup to succeed.
 
Vanjagl said:
Cosidering de Ligt is behind van Dijk, who's way behind his prime, and de Vrij, who's playing on one leg - not to metion Bayern are rather easily letting hime go, is red flag for me.
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At a loss and on £200k a week. For the fee he’s seemingly going for, not sure why more clubs aren’t in for him considering his reputation.
 
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