The Old Firm In England?

[Div_Muzza]

As a Celtic fan Its a complicated issue. We asr a Scottish team and should stay that but cant compete financially with teams down south. Where are not wanted as anyone can tell by readin some of the comments above there is alot of bitterness. I dont beleive we should have to move but I beleive there should be some limit on home grown players In england like there is in Spain and Ital;y to stop them buying the best foreigners. If we move south we loose European football. Is that really what we want for some money?

 

[JP Woody]

There is a higher percentage of unemployment in Scotland and a greater public sector per person. Lets say England earns £100 and Scotland earns £15. England spend £85 on themselves, Scotland spends £15 on themselves and England spend £15 on Scotland. It is due to the fact that England do not have an individual parliament and Scotland do. The Scottish Parliament does not have to give surplus to Britain but Britain has to give a percentage to Scotland. It's not elitism, I'm just saying.

Im not sure you know what your talking about mate,i think you should do some research before stating facts,You can start with the Scottish oil.

 

[williem86]

You sad, deluded person. Why would people want to go to you more than other teams? IF you come in our league (And I pray you don't because of people like you ruining our league) you won't be in the Europa League for maybe, 1, 2 or even 3 seasons, and your forgetting how much you will have to adapt to the english game. We don't just boot the ball up the other end of the pitch, it fast paced with nice football, which is what you don't play, that could take you a whole season to adapt to and if you don't succeed players will leave for bigger teams and you will fall lower and lower down the table. Stay in your league and have fun beating teams like Hamilton who wouldn't even get in League 1.

would you rather play at craven cottage or ibrox or parkhead the answer is simples! people like me? whats that supposed to mean? if you took the time to take of those st. georges glasses and actually watch a game of scottish football you will see the majority dont just boot it up the pitch. nice football? have you watched chelsea recently alot of teams in england get credit they nowhere near deserve.

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As a Celtic fan Its a complicated issue. We asr a Scottish team and should stay that but cant compete financially with teams down south. Where are not wanted as anyone can tell by readin some of the comments above there is alot of bitterness. I dont beleive we should have to move but I beleive there should be some limit on home grown players In england like there is in Spain and Ital;y to stop them buying the best foreigners. If we move south we loose European football. Is that really what we want for some money?

i agree with you there, the case with most english teams is they buy there way to success, exception to the rule being man u who bring through bags of youth players and who also have a scottish manager.

 

[Max]

would you rather play at craven cottage or ibrox or parkhead the answer is simples! people like me? whats that supposed to mean? if you took the time to take of those st. georges glasses and actually watch a game of scottish football you will see the majority dont just boot it up the pitch. nice football? have you watched chelsea recently alot of teams in england get credit they nowhere near deserve.

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i agree with you there, the case with most english teams is they buy there way to success, exception to the rule being man u who bring through bags of youth players and who also have a scottish manager.

Yes. People like you. The people that support teams and think their team deserves anything they want. Your the ones that everyone hates and ****** everyone off.

 

[fatshit]

Im not sure you know what your talking about mate,i think you should do some research before stating facts,You can start with the Scottish oil.

It's mainly Scottish Gas- Not oil and I've done my research. This is a condensed analogy.

 

[Lee]

i agree with you there, the case with most english teams is they buy there way to success, exception to the rule being man u who bring through bags of youth players and who also have a scottish manager.

Man Utd didn't buy success? Do your research please. oO)

 

[JP Woody]

It's mainly Scottish Gas- Not oil and I've done my research. This is a condensed analogy.

It's Scotland's Oil

Westminster has variously claimed over recent years that only about 30% of oil resources in the North Sea would actually belong to Scotland. This is based on an assumption that the Scotland/England border would continue out to sea in a north-north-easterly direction. This is typical propaganda and complete nonsense.

Westminster already recognises that the North Sea north of the 55th parallel falls under Scottish jurisdiction, and international convention decrees that this would be the dividing line. Some 90% of the UK's oil reserves lie within Scottish waters, and this percentage is set to rise as new fields to the west of the Shetland Isles and into the Atlantic are explored.

Since 1975 some £120bn ($180bn) of Scottish oil revenue has flowed to the London Treasury. Meanwhile some 30% of Scots live in cold damp housing, below the official European Union poverty line. It is a disgrace. Scotland is the most energy rich country in Europe, yet is probably the only country to discover oil and get poorer.

 

[GaryT]

im a rangers fan and i personally dont think we should move down south. in scotland we are guaranteed european football every year and if we went to premiership after 2 years we would only be challenging for europa league.

 

[Chaz Sexington]

i would not want Scots teams to play in an English league, but a British league is different. it would bring more money to both countries, as the TV money would help Celtic and Rangers, and the BPL (British Premier League) would be several million fans stronger than the EPL. Of course this would be better for lower table teams, as having a bunch of Scots descend on your wee town does boost a club's economy (and the pubs' economy).

As for losing European football, look at Celtic and Rangers the now. Rangers lost 1-4 to Sevilla and Celtic are struggling in the Euro Cup. i think the Old Firm could at least challenge for Euro Cup places immediately, and with the massive fanbase they might actually get the money for better players so they could perhaps challenge for a spot in the top four.

Personally, i never see this happening.

 

[JP Woody]

i would not want Scots teams to play in an English league, but a British league is different. it would bring more money to both countries, as the TV money would help Celtic and Rangers, and the BPL (British Premier League) would be several million fans stronger than the EPL. Of course this would be better for lower table teams, as having a bunch of Scots descend on your wee town does boost a club's economy (and the pubs' economy).

As for losing European football, look at Celtic and Rangers the now. Rangers lost 1-4 to Sevilla and Celtic are struggling in the Euro Cup. i think the Old Firm could at least challenge for Euro Cup places immediately, and with the massive fanbase they might actually get the money for better players so they could perhaps challenge for a spot in the top four.

Personally, i never see this happening.

That wont happen,i wouldn't be surprised if Britain as a nation didnt even exist in 5-10 years time,everyone seems to be going their own way now.

 

[Div_Muzza]

That wont happen,i wouldn't be surprised if Britain as a nation didnt even exist in 5-10 years time,everyone seems to be going their own way now.

Thats another point what happens if they do move then Scotland becomes Independent.

 

[Frank]

Everyone is saying that that they'ed get more money so they would win the league, but surely all the teams in the premiership get money aswell xD

 

[fatshit]

It's Scotland's Oil

Westminster has variously claimed over recent years that only about 30% of oil resources in the North Sea would actually belong to Scotland. This is based on an assumption that the Scotland/England border would continue out to sea in a north-north-easterly direction. This is typical propaganda and complete nonsense.

Westminster already recognises that the North Sea north of the 55th parallel falls under Scottish jurisdiction, and international convention decrees that this would be the dividing line. Some 90% of the UK's oil reserves lie within Scottish waters, and this percentage is set to rise as new fields to the west of the Shetland Isles and into the Atlantic are explored.

Since 1975 some £120bn ($180bn) of Scottish oil revenue has flowed to the London Treasury. Meanwhile some 30% of Scots live in cold damp housing, below the official European Union poverty line. It is a disgrace. Scotland is the most energy rich country in Europe, yet is probably the only country to discover oil and get poorer.

It's actually both but mainly Natural Gas.

Hence British GAS. Not British Oil. British GAS. The gas reserves in the North Sea are not as prosperous as previoulsy estimated. Gas is not worth as much as oil as it cannot be used commercialy to make plastic or vehicle fuel. England creates far much more wealth per citizen than Scotland because England is a Knowledge economy like Singapore or Japan. England provides Banking, legal and Education services where Scotland produces hardware and gas. This is not the case for all Scottish citizens- Gordon Brown is one of the smartest men alive and in my opinion is the smartest politician but in general Scotland does not produce as much wealth per person but has higher needs per person.

 

[Max]

Everyone is saying that that they'ed get more money so they would win the league, but surely all the teams in the premiership get money aswell xD

Exactly xD

 

[Div_Muzza]

The only pro for moving is the money. Football is about more than that.

 

[Jack Fulham]

Personally i don't get all this hype about Rangers and Celtic's worldwide fan bases, there is quite a lot in England, Ireland and probably Australia (convict country) but you know personally this ****** me off as much as the England world cup hype. The reason Scottish football is so **** is because about 80% to 85% of people living there support Rangers or Celtic and unless they live in Edinborough, the younger generation will just move straight to Glasgow because they don't want to stay in their small town clubs. Is there any club apart from Ranger or Celtic that averages a gate of over 20,000 every game?. Also if any other team does well one season, Celtic or Rangers will just buy there 2-3 best players probably with the exception with Hearts but even they aren't financially sound these days.

 

[Redders]

I wouldn't like it but can see the benefits of it happening.

As for the comment from the idiot about "fanbase being bigger so we will challenge" or whatever, ask Newcastle & Leeds about that.

 

[Jack Fulham]

The press always forget to add an extra 0 at the end Leeds attendance every week, it actually 224,010

 

[gary1873]

the reason it wont happen is cos exept for the top 4 and bolton the rest are scared we finish above the likes of vill and everton plus apart fae man u no team in the prem can match our fanbase and that worries the fa how 2 massive teams fae a wee nation have so much more fans than the likes of arsenal, pool and chelsea

 

[SunderlandDanny1973]

the reason it wont happen is cos exept for the top 4 and bolton the rest are scared we finish above the likes of vill and everton plus apart fae man u no team in the prem can match our fanbase and that worries the fa how 2 massive teams fae a wee nation have so much more fans than the likes of arsenal, pool and chelsea

It is the ENGLISH league just because Rangers and Celtic are well supported clubs it does not mean they will worry the other teams in EPL. And also just because the Scotish league is of a poor standard (no offence ) does not mean that you can uproot yourselves in to the Premeiership if it the two teams want it to happen they should start from the bottom if they don't like it they can stay in thier league as that would be the only fair way to do it, as putting them in the Premiership would be unfiar on the teams wh played in the Championship for the right to play in the EPL