The Old Firm In England?
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no,
a) it would be unfair to move two teams out of the league just so these two teams can get in
b) it is unfair to ask the fans to travel that far for matches when they already pay through the nose to support their respective clubs
a) it would be unfair to move two teams out of the league just so these two teams can get in
b) it is unfair to ask the fans to travel that far for matches when they already pay through the nose to support their respective clubs
alright, lets assume that the deal went through and the old film get to enter the epl. wouldnt that weaken the spl? we all know that other than the old film, the rest of the clubs tbh just dont seem to be up to the standard imo. there should always be strong teams in every laegue to ensure competitiveness. from my point of view, hearts and dundee utd are probably the next strongest as compared to the old film and they would most likely be in the champions league when the old film is no longer there. i feel that it should just stay as it is. 
Thats incorrect. If we started in League 2 Europe would be out of the question unless we qualified through one of the cups, but the gate receipts would not drop. Celtic have the second biggest club stadium (behind old trafford) in britain, 400 more seats than the Emirates and Rangers aren't far behind. You dont realise the marketing power of the Old Firm, it is immense, and it would only increase if we moved into the English leagues. People outside Scotland don't realise the volume of supprt these clubs have, both in Briatain and across the world.
We would pay the highest wages in the lower leagues, so would still attract quality players, and we certainly wouldn't struggle any more than we do in Scotland, so I think it's safe to say we'd both be in the Championship within two years. Obviously it'd be a bit harder getting out of that, but the TV money those clubs receive is substancially more than in Scotland. By then we'd be able to attract Premiership standard players in the Championship with the promise that we'd get promoted. Once we're there it's obviously going to be hard to compete with Man City, Man Utd or Chelsea, but relegation wouldn't be in there.
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2) Plymouth already have to travel to Newcastle and Middlesborough which is 409 miles. A trip to Glasgow is only 75 miles further. Plus we would be capable of bringing more away fans to the lower league clubs thean they would have home support which Im sure would be very attractive to their money men.
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Where is the competitiveness in the SPL or the EPL? Celtic and Rangers have won the last 25 Scottish titles along 34 of the 50 cup competitions in that period. The winner is usually 25 points above the third placed team. The only teams who ever challenge for the EPL now are Man Utd and Chelsea, with very very occasionally a side breaking in for a year and falling away. Man Utd have won 11 of the 17, and will more than likely make it 18 this year....thats not competitive.
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a well thought out and constructed argument against the proposal. i vote raseal for president.
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i dont think starting in league 2 is that bad a proposition though, i would accept that if it gets us into a better league. the scottish league is too small for us and is restricting us financially. we need to move to be able to compete in europe.
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an btw, having lived in inglund for 10 years i can assure you that the feeling of dislike is definatley mutual.
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what the f**k have newcastle ever won, almost ****** nothing. and with that in mind, what have middlesboro ever done in football? i was at the so called derby with sunderland a couple of years ago (2-2 with sunderland full of ex celts yaaaaaaas) and your stadium was half empty. perhaps if your fans got behind their club rather than ******** about other clubs they know nothing about you wouldnt have been relegated last year.
celtic and rangers are the two most decorated clubs in the world. allbeit a poor league these days, but thats because were restricted financially whilst the engleesh game thrives through financial backing. give us the money you get and watch what happens as we have a far superior fan base world wide to any english club (only man utd can challenge it).
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We would pay the highest wages in the lower leagues, so would still attract quality players, and we certainly wouldn't struggle any more than we do in Scotland, so I think it's safe to say we'd both be in the Championship within two years. Obviously it'd be a bit harder getting out of that, but the TV money those clubs receive is substancially more than in Scotland. By then we'd be able to attract Premiership standard players in the Championship with the promise that we'd get promoted. Once we're there it's obviously going to be hard to compete with Man City, Man Utd or Chelsea, but relegation wouldn't be in there.
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1) If we start at the bottom the leagues more than likely would be bigger, so no one would be moved out.
2) Plymouth already have to travel to Newcastle and Middlesborough which is 409 miles. A trip to Glasgow is only 75 miles further. Plus we would be capable of bringing more away fans to the lower league clubs thean they would have home support which Im sure would be very attractive to their money men.
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I have to agree, Celtic and Rangers would fill their stadiums every week in League 2. Plus the travelling support would be more than most clubs home crowd.Thats more than every club in England outside Man Utd.
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"there should always be strong teams in every laegue to ensure competitiveness."alright, lets assume that the deal went through and the old film get to enter the epl. wouldnt that weaken the spl? we all know that other than the old film, the rest of the clubs tbh just dont seem to be up to the standard imo. there should always be strong teams in every laegue to ensure competitiveness. from my point of view, hearts and dundee utd are probably the next strongest as compared to the old film and they would most likely be in the champions league when the old film is no longer there. i feel that it should just stay as it is.
Where is the competitiveness in the SPL or the EPL? Celtic and Rangers have won the last 25 Scottish titles along 34 of the 50 cup competitions in that period. The winner is usually 25 points above the third placed team. The only teams who ever challenge for the EPL now are Man Utd and Chelsea, with very very occasionally a side breaking in for a year and falling away. Man Utd have won 11 of the 17, and will more than likely make it 18 this year....thats not competitive.
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On what grounds are you getting closer? The winners are still 20+ points ahead of the thrid placed team, which ever club takes it's turn that position. We are the only ones who compete in Europe, even if we do struggle and the only clubs who make a profit at the end of the year.
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"i cba to go to scotland to see man utd play so no"
a well thought out and constructed argument against the proposal. i vote raseal for president.
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thats ridiculous, droylesdon are top of the bsn and their stadium only holds 3000. celtic would bring 5000 for the match. why dont we go further and start in the The Zamaretto League allied counties youth league?
i dont think starting in league 2 is that bad a proposition though, i would accept that if it gets us into a better league. the scottish league is too small for us and is restricting us financially. we need to move to be able to compete in europe.
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Ive been to middlesborough. i can see why your bitter
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we dont like you, thats why it would be so satisfying to win your league.
an btw, having lived in inglund for 10 years i can assure you that the feeling of dislike is definatley mutual.
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delusions of grandeur???? are you serious???
what the f**k have newcastle ever won, almost ****** nothing. and with that in mind, what have middlesboro ever done in football? i was at the so called derby with sunderland a couple of years ago (2-2 with sunderland full of ex celts yaaaaaaas) and your stadium was half empty. perhaps if your fans got behind their club rather than ******** about other clubs they know nothing about you wouldnt have been relegated last year.
celtic and rangers are the two most decorated clubs in the world. allbeit a poor league these days, but thats because were restricted financially whilst the engleesh game thrives through financial backing. give us the money you get and watch what happens as we have a far superior fan base world wide to any english club (only man utd can challenge it).
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according to http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm newcastles average attendance is down 10,000 from 48,000 to 38,000 since they got relegated. Thats true support for you. Leeds are averaging 25,000 over the last 3 years. Both are quite away off celtics 58,000 with rangers at 49,000. That wouldnt change if we started in league 2 as we know we'd be in the championship within 2 years. using these figures celtics gate receipts over a 19 game season is about £29m which would only increase in england, and give us the the average £30m tv money and we would be capable of attracting and paying better players than anyone outside the big 2.5 (no big 4 any more).
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according to http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm newcastles average attendance is down 10,000 from 48,000 to 38,000 since they got relegated. Thats true support for you. Leeds are averaging 25,000 over the last 3 years. Both are quite away off celtics 58,000 with rangers at 49,000. That wouldnt change if we started in league 2 as we know we'd be in the championship within 2 years. using these figures celtics gate receipts over a 19 game season is about £29m which would only increase in england, and give us the the average £30m tv money and we would be capable of attracting and paying better players than anyone outside the big 2.5 (no big 4 any more).[/QUOTE]
you are basing your opinions from a site which states that Newcastle have played 3 games at home this season when they have quite clearly played 6. Also there are also another 17 home games to play where the attendances could improve drastically.
you are basing your opinions from a site which states that Newcastle have played 3 games at home this season when they have quite clearly played 6. Also there are also another 17 home games to play where the attendances could improve drastically.
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Having watched loads of Premiership football mainly on tv (i tried to get to St.James Park when I could) and watched scottish football and been to a few Aberdeen games I feel that the Old Firm would really struggle if they were in the Premiership. Maybe in a few years with tv money it would change however I cant see them getting anywhere near a European spot.
No Celtic and Rangers player has ever left them to do well in Premiership apart from Henrik Larsson for a few months and Gio Van Bronckhorst. The Old Firm are just full of Championship or bottom half Premiership players apart from Artur Boruc, Aiden McGeady maybe Scott Brown. Even those 3 while playing for their countries havent done much at that level.
I know that even with the current Newcastle team I wouldnt think to many would get into our team. Boruc for Harper yes, Aiden McGeady could play on a wing as we only have Jonas Gutierrez and Kris Boyd is better than Andy Carroll and Nile Ranger but I cant think of anyone else who would actually walk into the 1st eleven.
No Celtic and Rangers player has ever left them to do well in Premiership apart from Henrik Larsson for a few months and Gio Van Bronckhorst. The Old Firm are just full of Championship or bottom half Premiership players apart from Artur Boruc, Aiden McGeady maybe Scott Brown. Even those 3 while playing for their countries havent done much at that level.
I know that even with the current Newcastle team I wouldnt think to many would get into our team. Boruc for Harper yes, Aiden McGeady could play on a wing as we only have Jonas Gutierrez and Kris Boyd is better than Andy Carroll and Nile Ranger but I cant think of anyone else who would actually walk into the 1st eleven.
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celtic and rangers would haveto fight for survival if they where in the prem they simplyy arent good enough and it is the english league for a reason
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newcastle fans blabbering about being good fans, what else are u gonnna support up there sunderland lmao
u aint won nothing for ages but u are good fans for a poor team
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newcastle fans blabbering about being good fans, what else are u gonnna support up there sunderland lmao
u aint won nothing for ages but u are good fans for a poor team
Whats that got to do with anything? Ive been to Glasgow,its a ****-hole like Boro,only a bigger one.I notice while you were in Middlesbrough you didn't learn how to spell the town's name correctly.
Your wrong,most English couldn't care less about Scotland which makes your pathetic hatred even more sad and tiresome.Germany and Argentina are the nations we like to beat.I notice while you lived in England you didn't bother learning how to spell the country's name correctly.
Thank you for proving my point for me,Cheers.Oh and as for Boro,we know were only a small club,we don't pretend to be anything else yet we have managed to punch well above our weight for the last 15 years in a tough League and have reached 5 cup finals in the process,something im very proud of.
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And I got an infraction?! Is there no justice? Learn to edit guy. How can you even spend 71 minutes writing a reply. Oh and look up the rules.
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yes most definatly they should just go into the premiership and it should be a 22 team competition its very do-able. its obvious that celtic and rangers are far to good to be playing in the scottish league so yes.
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what a extra 4 matches. all you do is put the season forward a week and play 2 games in that week surely u can fit a poxy 2 games in somewere.
In your normal season you have 35 weekends set aside for matches and 3 midweek fixtures (34 & 4 this year because of the world cup) and there's usually 18-20 midweek dates set aside for International fixtures.
So if you're in any of the cup competitons, domestic and european, you are pretty short for space as it is. Why do you think no one likes FA Cup replays.
So if you're in any of the cup competitons, domestic and european, you are pretty short for space as it is. Why do you think no one likes FA Cup replays.