The Rooney Rule (Yay or Nay)
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What? I was commenting on the law as a whole, wasn't being specific to football or England.
All I'm saying is, if there wasn't a reason to have this law then they wouldn't use it, stop being so naive and assuming the best man wins all the time.
Nay.
Just because they have to give them an interview means nothing. If the club was being racist, they could give an interview and just not consider them anyway. It won't make any difference. And besides, can you name any other black coaches apart from Paul Ince and Chris Hughton (who are both currently employed).. Only two I can think of is Chris Powell and Ruud Gullit.
If someone was to go and sack their manager when this rule came in and they HAD to interview someone else, it would be someone with little/no managerial experience and they wouldn't be considered due to the amount of white managers with a load of experience in the game which is essential.
A club like Manchester United aren't going to appoint a manager with barely any experience when SAF retires, so why must they be forced to appoint someone who has no chance of getting the job when you'll get World Class managers vying for the position with them. It's silly. They get viewed for jobs just like everyone else. There aren't that many managers, so there aren't many in jobs.
Also, if they were made to interview a black/asian/chinese manager and that person went on to get the job - everyone would say "Only got the job because he HAD to be interviewed" - which isn't fair. Either way, it's a no win IMO.
Stupid rule.
Just because they have to give them an interview means nothing. If the club was being racist, they could give an interview and just not consider them anyway. It won't make any difference. And besides, can you name any other black coaches apart from Paul Ince and Chris Hughton (who are both currently employed).. Only two I can think of is Chris Powell and Ruud Gullit.
If someone was to go and sack their manager when this rule came in and they HAD to interview someone else, it would be someone with little/no managerial experience and they wouldn't be considered due to the amount of white managers with a load of experience in the game which is essential.
A club like Manchester United aren't going to appoint a manager with barely any experience when SAF retires, so why must they be forced to appoint someone who has no chance of getting the job when you'll get World Class managers vying for the position with them. It's silly. They get viewed for jobs just like everyone else. There aren't that many managers, so there aren't many in jobs.
Also, if they were made to interview a black/asian/chinese manager and that person went on to get the job - everyone would say "Only got the job because he HAD to be interviewed" - which isn't fair. Either way, it's a no win IMO.
Stupid rule.
You think this law actually helps and I'm the one being naive.
Sigh.
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Jean Tigana and Antoine Kombouaré could be added to the mix, Tigana having managed Fulham, and Kombouaré being currently employed.
So with your additions, that's 7 managers. 5 of them are currently employed (that I know of). All in/had pretty good jobs too. Stupid rule.
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It probably ill happen if they are discussing it as I cant see anyone going against it in fear of being branded racist.
It is a stupid and racist rule.
It is a stupid and racist rule.
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People are picked for jobs for there qualifications and achievements, if anything, making clubs interview shortlist ethnic minorities gives ethnic minorities an unfair advantage. They're judged as people, not by race. The reason I think for the lack of ethnic minorities in the game is because it is not popular within there culture except for black people but then there are plenty of black people in the game but not really at management level. I think in 10/20 years time, we will see a lot more people from ethnic minority backgrounds in management positions in the English game anyway. My reasons for this is that English football is more culturally diverse now in terms of players than it was 10/20++ years ago and more of these players will go into coaching and management. I agree with others though on that this is not the right solution, encouraging ethnic minorities to becomes coaches is the right way but then I think they should encourage more people in general to do there coaching badges regardless of there race or creed.
Jamie's touched on the area they should be addressing in the first place. if you want more ethnic managers, you start by getting more ethnic coaches. All they are doing is taking the easy route
To be fair, you're hardly going to get an interview based on your tactical knowledge, you're like a young, black, sexy Gareth Southgate.
Pfft im better tactically than GS!
So is my imaginary pet turtle..
Harsh :'(
But in all seriousness if they want more ethnic managers, get more ethnic coaches. Do that by helping those who want t be there but can't afford, convince the semi pro players to professional coaches. Dont set up a patronising rule
It does seem stupid, I mean, at the end of the day, look at other sports, and ethnic coaches. Cricket has a fair few, but guess what, it's one of the biggest sports in Asia, they are actually pretty good at the game as well.
One of the problems is there are relatively few Asian/Indian players playing in the top flight, or even in the lower leagues, now I appreciate that the best players don't make the best managers (most of the time), but you would expect/hope your candidate would have some sort of professional experience in the game, even at a coaching level, but there are relatively few ethnic coaches coming through at the moment, from what I understand. Do what Mike said, get the semi pro players to become coaches, give some kind of financial help to people that want to become coaches.
With the cut-throat style of football club owners at the moment, it would be basically sending lambs to the slaughter if you based employment on skin colour rather than skill/experience.
One of the problems is there are relatively few Asian/Indian players playing in the top flight, or even in the lower leagues, now I appreciate that the best players don't make the best managers (most of the time), but you would expect/hope your candidate would have some sort of professional experience in the game, even at a coaching level, but there are relatively few ethnic coaches coming through at the moment, from what I understand. Do what Mike said, get the semi pro players to become coaches, give some kind of financial help to people that want to become coaches.
With the cut-throat style of football club owners at the moment, it would be basically sending lambs to the slaughter if you based employment on skin colour rather than skill/experience.
Our manager (Chris Powell) is black and was asked about this before and he didn't agree with it. I think it's ******* ridiculous.
I remember someone (I'll try to find out who it was) who said it is harder for black managers to get hired, not because the employer consciously makes a decision not to hire them, but because most employers judge managers based on whether they immediately strike a connection with them and believe that they can have a good working relationship with them. He believed that subconsciously the employer feels more of a connection with a white manager. I don't personally agree but it's an interesting point. Like I said I will try to remember/ find out who said it.
I remember someone (I'll try to find out who it was) who said it is harder for black managers to get hired, not because the employer consciously makes a decision not to hire them, but because most employers judge managers based on whether they immediately strike a connection with them and believe that they can have a good working relationship with them. He believed that subconsciously the employer feels more of a connection with a white manager. I don't personally agree but it's an interesting point. Like I said I will try to remember/ find out who said it.