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Welcome to my San Marino Guide. Hope this can help or inspire a bit all my fellow Titani managers embracing http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/challenges-scenarios/85095-great-san-marino-challenge.html

This won't probably be your average club guide, as the development of youth and national team will actually get the most attention here. Feel free to ask for further advice with both club and country, or share your own ideas and techniques to develop football in San Marino.

PART I: THE CLUB

I'm not a fan of telling people how they should play their own career, especially which players to sign or what tactic to use. One thing should be pretty clear though: for the good of both your club and country you should really try to get out of Serie C as soon as possible. That is absolutely crucial in terms of both money (which you'll need to start facilities/network improvements) and club reputation (which is going to have an impact on regens quality)

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First Season

Despite media predictions (5th) and board expectations (promotion) San Marino squad looks generally uninspiring like any other C2 club, and your budget is far from spectacular as well. Personally I tend to adopt this strategy in first season: I try to sell or loan out EVERY player at the club in order to free some valuable budget space (I might even terminate a few contracts if needed); the only "survivors" would be the Sammarinese youngsters as I try to develop them the best I can and see if they can be of any use for the NT.

Then I search the free agents market for the best players available and try to put together a squad of much better quality than the average of Serie C2.There are quite a few valuable freebies who are surprisingly interested in signing at the lowest level: seasoned veterans, lower leagues specialists, former Serie A prospects now in disgrace. Keep in mind that some of them might refuse negotiations with your club at the start only to accept modest wages a few days/weeks later so keep an eye on your targets!

As I said above I don't like telling you who to sign or how to play, it's YOUR career so choose your signings according to your tactics and personal preferences. HOWEVER, I will point you three players - one for each unit - you might want to consider for your Serie C2 campaign: defender Duccio Innocenti, midfielder Nicola Mingazzini and attacker Daniele Conti

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I personally don't mind going slightly over-budget, losing money or even being in red for the first couple of years as my main concern is to get out of Serie C asap, with consecutive promotions if possible. A bit of a gamble indeed, but that's how I like to play ;)

Approaching Serie B

First of all you need to realise you've already made history for San Marino, as you led the Titani to their first ever campaign in the Italian second tier. Well done!

In my experience Serie B has been the toughest division to face for a combination of different factors like club reputation, budget available, squad limitations, standard of football and quality of opponents. 22 teams, 2 direct promotions + 1 via playoffs, a long, exhausting season against stronger, richer clubs with better reputation, some of them much closer to Serie A standard - Torino, Atalanta, Siena, Lecce to name a few.

The board will ask you to just avoid relegation and build for the future, a task you should be able to achieve if you can put together a decent squad.

Nobody expects you to gain an immediate promotion, though my suggestion is try building the best squad you can and finish as high as possible. If you see you're comfortably achieving a safe position don't relax, push it! 6th place will be enough to enter the playoff Russian Roulette, and then anything can happen! Either you succeed or not, this attitude and experience will be a key for any future improvement of both your players and club.

More in-depth considerations:

Transfers

- As a rule you should try to improve drastically your squad anytime you reach a higher division, and your Serie B début will be no exception. Transfer & wage budget will probably look uninspiring as usual, but your new Serie B status and reputation should attract some high caliber players. Concentrate on free agents with at least Serie B experience, and shock your board & fans with the occasional international class signing. Remember: good players are better than great tactics.

- Try to sign some decent youngsters even if you don't plan playing them regularly: they'll hopefully attract the attention of bigger clubs and generate profit from a sell or co-ownership. It happened to me quite often to receive generous co-ownership offers for almost useless youngsters, actually this has been the biggest source of profit for me in Serie B! Make sure these signings don't eat your wage budget, though.

- Players on loan can be crucial for your Serie B campaign, especially if you can find quality players with low wages and low (or zero) loan fee. Your new Serie B status means there are quite a few promising youngsters interested in joining on loan, so go out and search. My suggestion is to look at South American clubs and their starlets with dual nationalities: I loaned a Brazilian/Austrian and a Brazilian/German from Sao Paulo, no loan fee, extremely low wages and top quality! They tend to have cool names too ;)

Club Reputation and Match Strategy

- Don't forget San Marino is a rookie at Serie B level and club reputation is something quite relevant in FM. You were probably used to attack wildly home & away in Serie C, press your opponents, dictate tempo and control possession: well forget about that, unless you want to get thrashed badly by those Serie B powerhouses. Even if you're confident about the quality of your team you really need to change your approach, especially away: play counter, lower your tempo and D-line, waste time, use defensive shouts. Once your team has gained some confidence and chemistry you can re-set an attacking strategy (at least at home) but keep using counter/defensive strategies according to different opponents and situations (e.g. when you take the lead).

PART II: THE NATIONAL TEAM

You're in charge of the lowest ranked national team in Europe, and virtually the worst amongst FIFA affiliates so in the first years you can only expect one thing: get spanked. Hard.

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GK Aldo Junior Simoncini (third choice keeper for Serie A outfit Cesena) and legendary striker Andy Selva (unattached, you might want to keep an eye on him) are the only players with a somewhat respectable pedigree.

Your very own Matteo Vitaioli is probably the brightest prospect in the country, together with teenage striker Mattia Stefanelli also from Cesena. 16 years old centre back Juri Biordi, contracted to your club, is still a project but with the right training/tutoring could soon become a key player for the NT. The rest is pretty much hopeless, though it seems to me that the average quality of Sammarinese players is looking SLIGHTLY better than in FM11.

Really there's not much you can do to prevent being destroyed across Europe in first seasons and you'll make a good job if you can avoid massive humiliations. Defensive tactics are strongly recommended, as well as time wasting and containing strategies. Be aware that most of the times this won't be enough to avoid scores like 0-6 or worse, on the other hand the FA tends to be quite forgiving with their manager so you shouldn't be risking your job anytime soon.

You might try to arrange friendlies against other extremely weak countries ranked nonetheless higher than San Marino, and the occasional win could be a nice boost for players' morale and FIFA ranking. This link will help you to understand how FIFA points and rankings work, and hopefully will be useful when you're choosing teams for international friendlies: http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/procedureandschedule/menprocedure/index.html

The truth is any improvement of the NT will always have little to do with what the NT itself does on the football pitch. In fact any progress will be strongly related to your club's progress, and - maybe - to your "development strategies".

Which takes us to the next part of the guide...

PART III: DEVELOPING SAN MARINO

This is where I'll share my "brilliant" plans and the techniques I use to (try to) boost the development of San Marino as a football country, and basically to get more/better regens - not necessarily at your club. Please note there's no way I know how or which of these strategies actually work - IF they work at all! They do make some sense in my mind though, plus I like to think I've done all in my powers to suceed. Also don't expect to see any immediate result: IF something does work that's supposed to happen long-term, like everything else regarding this challenge.

I'll start with the more obvious things, then go with the less conventional ideas:

- Starting a New Game

Before starting a new game load all players of San Marino nationality + all players from San Marino top division + all players based in San Marino.

This way clubs from the rubbish Sammarinese League will produce more players as if they were part of an active league. 99.99% of the times this will only mean they'll produce more rubbish players BUT who am I to discard that 0.01%?

- Club Facilities

This is pretty obvious: once you have the money you need to improve your club's facilities as much as you can. Youth facilities, youth recruitment network and junior coaching should be the ones deserving particular attention. Also note that improving club reputation (moving up leagues, qualifying for continental competitions etc) will have an impact on quality of regens.

- Club Staff

There's a new "facility" in FM12 and it's the afore-mentioned "junior coaching" that seems to have replaced the old "academy". Junior coaching has nothing to do with your youth coaches, it simply indicates how much money and attention your club is going to put in the youth setup (which certainly has a big influence on quality of youth intake)

With that said I do believe that quality/number/nationality of your staff are somehow related to quality/number/nationality of regens at the club.

As a rule regens produced at San Marino (club) tend to be Sammarinese, Italians or Sammarinese/Italians with dual nationality. What I suggest (once you can afford more/better coaches and higher wages) is to build a good base of Sammarinese staff plus a fair amount of foreigners, while reducing (not eliminating though) Italian staff. If your staff members are mostly Italian there's a possibility your regens will be mostly Italian as well (this happened to me in FM11) and we certainly don't want that!

Quite interestingly regens created in the Sammarinese league are mostly Sammarinese, Sammarinese/Italians and Sammarinese/Argentine (don't get too excited though: they're usually rubbsih). Was that quite interesting? Right...

While I can't guarantee this will actually make any difference, I personally like ALL my staff to have good recruitment and youth development attributes. This means I don't look only at their stats, but also at their "bars" in their personal data. Not sure if it helps, but that's what I do.

Staff from various foreign countries will be important to expand club's scouting knowledge which is always useful to find good young players around the world, plus IN THEORY they should improve chances of your youth setup producing a foreign regen with (hopefully) dual Sammarinese nationality. Never happened to me in FM11 with San Marino, but happened quite often with other clubs so why stop dreaming of a Brazilian wonderkid with SM dual nationality?

- Scouting

Do quality and knowledge of your scouts have an impact on quality of your club's regens? I DON'T KNOW actually. But assuming they do, here's something I like to do every season.

In FM12 the new "regens date" for Italy is apparently March 18th; scouting the mighty nation of San Marino usually takes about 2-3 weeks and after that your scouts will have a full bar of knowledge of SM. So I'd assign ALL my non-Sammarinese scouts to San Marino around February 20th, this way every member of my scouting team will get full SM knowledge just before new youngsters are generated at the club.

- San Marino Bias

Remember that you're not just managing a football club, trying to win leagues, cups, trophies etc. Your ultimate goal is to develop players to improve the national team and stupid as it may sound winning matches or even leagues won't always be enough. Always think for the good of the NT!

You may have some half-decent local prospects that aren't of any use for your club and actually eat some of your precious wage budget so the logical solution for your club would be to sell/release them or not to re-new their contracts... BUT those useless players could actually become important members of the NT, so you'd be wise to keep them, give them the best training/tutoring you can, send them on loan and follow their careers through the years, even if they will always be useless for your club.

In a past FM11 save I released young striker Vitaioli from the club as I needed more wage budget for my signings, and guess what happened? He couldn't find a new club so retired at the age of 23, and San Marino lost the best striker in the country (as Andy Selva had already retired).

In the same way, you need to keep an eye on the current "stars" of the national team and go to the rescue if they stay too long without a club. Then you can try to sell them or loan them out, the important thing is to keep them in the game. San Marino is already bad enough, you can't afford to lose the likes of Aldo Junior or Vitaioli.

- Club U20's Squad

If your yearly youth intake is a constant let down you might want to release a huge part of those useless youngsters (spare the decent ones though) and have a look at the greyed out players the game should generate to replace them. If you feel they're good enough (and usually they aren't) just give them a contract by clicking the "Offer Contract" button and after a few days they'll become "real" players. Not sure if that's still possible in FM12 though, will check this soon.

- National Team Staff

This is the idea: clubs with full bar of knowledge of a certain country (outside their own) will have better chances of producing regens of that nationality. I've seen evidence of this in the past, even regarding San Marino (country). Juventus start with an excellent SM coach, thus have full SM knowledge and have quite regularly produced Sammarinese regens in my FM11 save ("regularly" means one every two/three seasons). And these lads tend to be much better than the average Sammarinese out of your academy, especially during the first, dark years.

What can you do to force this process then? Obviously you can hope other clubs sign staff from SM, which can and has happened quite often in my past saves. Plus you can "use" the national team to spread San Marino knowledge across the world.

When you hire staff for the NT they will gradually build some knowledge of the country and eventually reach a full bar (should take 3-4 years) which means their clubs will gain that knowledge as well. So get rid of all your staff and start offering those international jobs! U21 manager, U19 manager, Assistant Manager, GK Coach and a few other Coaches: you have several options as you can see, and high profile staff from high profile clubs would often accept those jobs.

Who should you hire then, and most af all from which teams? Best Serie A clubs? Renowned youth academies like Ajax or Atalanta? Or continental superpowers like Barcelona or Man Utd? Choose what makes more sense to you.

Staff should be young enough to last through the years without retiring too soon, and ideally have long contracts with their clubs. I'd personally look at clubs with quality staff, facilities and recruitment network but poor knowledge of other countries, so San Marino would be their "first choice" when producing a foreign regen. Though I reckon the prospect of a young Sammarinese out of Barça's talent factory would be quite fascinating.


That's it I guess, now you know (almost...) all my top secret techniques - and the measure of my obsession for San Marino in FM ;) Again, feel free to ask for further advice with club or country and share your own ideas to improve Sammarinese Football!

PS: the guide will be updated as I progress with the game, or if I come up with other errr "brilliant" plans...
 
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May as well give these tips a try as I'm pretty clueless as to what to do with my SM teams lol.
 
Amazing guide, I'm awful at transfers so I'm going to need as many as I can get. Conti won't discuss a contract, any help?

Also any reccomendations for players?
 
good work Kandersson, very informative whilst leaving plenty of questions for the reader to dwell on and to give them ideas of their own. reading about cesena and juventus made me wonder whether san marino's affiliate clubs would produce san marinese youngsters due to the ties with the club and whether you would produce regens of the nationality of you're affiliates. e.g. if you had a japanese club for corporate reasons would you produce japanese regens and would they produce san marinese regens?
 
Amazing guide, I'm awful at transfers so I'm going to need as many as I can get. Conti won't discuss a contract, any help?

Also any reccomendations for players?

Thanks mate

I only made some brief testing with San Marino, and Conti did exactly the same. Then after a week or two he was ready to accept a very modest wage. Other free players did exactly the same. They will be more and more interested in your club as weeks go by and nobody offer them a contract, or if they fire they're agent.

don't be afraid to sign old players (even 35y or plus) as they can still make the job in lower leagues: my provisional shortlist would include Pivotto, De Ascentis, Drascek, Greco, Sodinha and Gulraiz. That's the best I can think of atm :p

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good work Kandersson, very informative whilst leaving plenty of questions for the reader to dwell on and to give them ideas of their own. reading about cesena and juventus made me wonder whether san marino's affiliate clubs would produce san marinese youngsters due to the ties with the club and whether you would produce regens of the nationality of you're affiliates. e.g. if you had a japanese club for corporate reasons would you produce japanese regens and would they produce san marinese regens?

thanks a lot

Parent clubs automatically get all their feeder club's knowledge so yes that CAN happen and indeed Cesena came up with a couple of san marinese players in my first FM11 save. So yes a japanese feeder club will give you a full bar of Japan knowledge (check your clubs scouting knowledge to have confirmation of this) and in theory should give you a chance of producing the odd japanese from your youth set up through the years. But this doesn't work the other way aorund as feeders clubs don't get any knowledge from their parent clubs.
 
Thanks mate

I only made some brief testing with San Marino, and Conti did exactly the same. Then after a week or two he was ready to accept a very modest wage. Other free players did exactly the same. They will be more and more interested in your club as weeks go by and nobody offer them a contract, or if they fire they're agent.

don't be afraid to sign old players (even 35y or plus) as they can still make the job in lower leagues: my provisional shortlist would include Pivotto, De Ascentis, Drascek, Greco, Sodinha and Gulraiz. That's the best I can think of atm :p

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thanks a lot

Parent clubs automatically get all their feeder club's knowledge so yes that CAN happen and indeed Cesena came up with a couple of san marinese players in my first FM11 save. So yes a japanese feeder club will give you a full bar of Japan knowledge (check your clubs scouting knowledge to have confirmation of this) and in theory should give you a chance of producing the odd japanese from your youth set up through the years. But this doesn't work the other way aorund as feeders clubs don't get any knowledge from their parent clubs.

does that mean that if a championship or league 1 team with a parent club in the premiership signed a san marinese coach then both clubs would be gaining the knowledge?
 
For anyone starting out I cannot say how good Gulraiz is. I am in my 3rd season in Serie B and he is still the key figure of my team.
Also after the first season it is possible to get Cesarini. He still has moments of magic but nothing like he was in FM11..
 
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extremely well explained.
loved this last season, i'll get right on it once i establish Crewe Alexandra as europe's main powerhouse once more
 
Which leagues do i need to load to get all available SM players?

When loading leagues select database size as custom then select add players of nationality and then Sanmarinese.

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My defense is leaking goals, I need a keeper and any defenders you might recommend as the one's I've found aren't up to standard.

found some ;P
 
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For anyone starting out I cannot say how good Gulraiz is. I am in my 3rd season in Serie B and he is still the key figure of my team.
Also after the first season it is possible to get Cesarini. He still has moments of magic but nothing like he was in FM11..

Gulraiz looks like a perfect poacher for serie C leagues but you know I'll HAVE to buy Cesarini as soon as possible ;)

So you managed back to back promotions aka The Great Escape achievement? post the screens and you'll be the first to enter San Marino Hall Of Fame :)

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When loading leagues select database size as custom then select add players of nationality and then Sanmarinese.

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My defense is leaking goals, I need a keeper and any defenders you might recommend as the one's I've found aren't up to standard.

found some ;P

remember if you sign lots of new players the team will need time to gel so don't be too discouraged if you have shaky results in the first matches. Tactical consistency is also very important so choose your tacitcs and stick with them. Also use team meetings, conversations and teamtalks to boost players' morale wich is very relevant (maybe too much relevant) in FM12
 
Going to give this a go woth san marino (club) first will be the first time ive even played in italy in the game hope i do well haha great guide inspired me to start a game right away mate!
 
Going to give this a go woth san marino (club) first will be the first time ive even played in italy in the game hope i do well haha great guide inspired me to start a game right away mate!

thanks mate, glad to hear that

good luck with the challenge!
 
tiz a great guide. just a question on NT coaches, how much does having a decent U-21 coach affect the younger players in stat improvement?
 
tiz a great guide. just a question on NT coaches, how much does having a decent U-21 coach affect the younger players in stat improvement?

thanks a lot

National team staff won't affect players' attributes. A good U21 manager will select the best players and will use his man management and tactical skills during matches but won't have an impact on players' stats.
 
A NT assistant coach with gain info on the country though, meaning his club is looking likely to regean a SM player?
 
A NT assistant coach with gain info on the country though, meaning his club is looking likely to regean a SM player?

I wouldn't say likely, but then it CAN happen. A club with full knowledge of San Marino has a small possibility to produce sammarinese players through the years. A club with zero knowledge of San Marino has zero possibility. We can only wait, hope and see ;)
 
OP updated!

modified part II and added "San Marino Bias" tip in part III
 
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