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"What I learnt here, everything starts with the ball and finish with the ball. Sometimes we forget that this is a game with 11 v 11, WITH ONE BALL, and we try to keep this ball, we try to play with the ball, we try to make everything with the ball" - Pep Guardiola



The Origin

I, like many others, have tried numerous times to get my team playing a stylish, modern brand of football. It just hasn't worked. I've used plug and play tactics I've downloaded and I've briefly tried to create my own. Frankly I gave up, the inconsistency was crippling and when you get beat 4-0 in a game where you have 30 shots and they have 4, well that is hard to take and move forward. So I plugged in ModernWarfare442 and dominated(IMO glitched) my way to success. So if that's what you are looking for stop now, the rest of this thread might be too painful for you!

So I've got an Aston Villa(my team btw) save where I've won the PL and CL 13 out of the last 16 seasons, playing MW442. I have a ridiculous squad and £600m in the bank alongside a huge new stadium and the worlds best coaches etc. I got bored. I started a Dortmund save and it entertained me for maybe a month tops. Playing 4231 direct with IF's and a poacher, we won 5 leagues in a row after it took me 3 years to break Bayern's dominance, 3 Champion's League's and a couple of cups along the way. But dear god it was boring.

So I'm sat last week watching the Spanish U21's in awe of them. Thiago Alcantara is my new favourite player on the planet! Isco, Muniain, Sarabia etc, I just love watching these little magicians play football! This is the way I've always wanted my FM team to play but I've given up in the past, believing the hype that the match engine is broken therefore my(and many other people's) vision is impossible.

Determined to never give up I decided to start a new save and for the first 3-4 seasons I would roll with 2 tactics, firstly this one, the one I will be creating and tweaking as I go, and secondly ModernWarfare442, well basically to help keep me in the job in-case things went pear shaped for my own system.

The story of the progression of this tactic can be found here:

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2013-tactics-training/121149-i-have-vision-but-just-wont-work.html


Im not going to re-tell the story of how we arrived to here but its all in there if anyone is interested... But now its the end of the 4th season and I have employed this tactic for the last 3 seasons solidly. Tweaking as I went along, but for 80% of this season the tactic has been pretty much untouched.



The Tactic

Since one of my pet hates on here is when people don't put a screen shot of the formation in the OP, that's where I'll start.

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Positions:

GK: [Goalkeeper: Defend]
Ideally I wanted a Sweeper Keeper, but when I had ter Stegen as SK and pressing set to high he was rushing out even when my defence hadn't been breached. The opposition was passing around him, so I changed him back to regular GK and took off his pressing. I don't know if this is a fault with ter Stegen or the match engine.
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DR/L: [Fullback: Attacking]
Both DR and DL have the exact same instructions.
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DC: [Ball Playing Defender: Cover/Limited Defender: Stopper]
Both DCs have the same player instructions, but have differing roles.
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CMR: [Cental Midfielder: Defend]
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CML: [Deep Lying Playmaker: Support]
I prefer Thiago in this role, even though he can play further forward, I feel like he's got it all and influences the game far more effectively from deep. He really is my main man and I want him in the heart of the action.
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AMC: [Advanced Playmaker: Support]
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AMR/L: [Inside Forward: Support]
This is the position that's caused me the most trouble during the progression of this tactic. I started with 3 APs and changed to every option available before settling on IF with all the sliders turned down. In particular run with ball. I didn't want them running with the ball every time they get it, and even on "Sometimes" they seem to just get the ball and run, almost exclusively. I want them to play in between the lines and play with short simple passes, and many through balls. To add their own goal threat I recently changed their wide play from "Normal"(so they didn't exclusively cut inside and sometimes went outside) to "Move into channels" and it seems to have made a big difference. They now score a lot more goals.
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ST: [Deep Lying Forward: Attack]
This is how I wanted my forward to be initially, in-fact the vision was to not have a true forward, but I could never get that to work so the next best thing is DLF. For a period I changed this to Poacher or Advanced Forward because it was getting too congested in midfield and the system wasn't working. Once I got Neymar though, he's really made this role his own, he and Isco(AMC) rarely get in each others way, and actually work very well together. I have both trained to play 1-2's and they do it often to devastating effect.
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Results

Well we've played 63 competitive games this season, and we've had the most possession in every single game. I can count on 1 hand when the other team has created more CCCs, and they don't always win. Like Spurs at home, I played my second 11 as we had the CL SF coming up in 3 days time and were 7 points clear in the league, they had 1 CCC to our 0(very rare we get 0), but we won 2-0 with 65%-35% possession!

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These stats are still with 4 games to play in the league...

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In 4 seasons I have won:

3 Premier Leagues(1 was using MW442)
3 Champions Leagues
1 Europa League(using MW442)
2 World Club Championships
1 European Super Cup
2 FA Cups
1 Capital One Cup
1 Community Shield

The only trophy I failed to win this last season was the Capital One Cup.

I have my assistant handle all team talks, and opposition instructions. For training I rotate it a lot, because I was tinkering with the tactic I had tactic training on a lot of the time, but when Im not messing with the tactic I change it around a lot. Team Cohesion, Attacking, Balanced etc. For match Prep I usually use Defensive Positioning or Attacking Movement. Like I said though I really dont know if it matters what training is used. Ive used all different ones over the last 4 seasons.

I have my front 4 all set to play 1-2s, look to play through balls and I have my ST set to try to beat offside trap.

Thats pretty much it, I dont really micro manage at all, I dont use any shouts except if winning late on I might switch to control and retain possession.

It seems that my team performs much better February onwards. They start off slow. I dont know if this is something to do with the team and tactic gelling together, or players getting a better feel for their positions(Muniain and Rodrigo had to be trained to play AML/R) or whatever, but they are definitely better later in the season.

Also as you can see I get my fair share of set piece goals, all I have is corner set to go near post, and I set my 2 centre backs to mark GK and go near post, and it produces results without being unrealistic.


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Now updated to version 2.

The only changes made are:

Defensive line from 20 down to 15.
Width from 15 down to 10.
Offside trap switched off.

I have had fantastic results since the changes, stops teams getting in behind as much, Ive conceded 1 goal in 14 games since I changed(and that was a penalty in a 4-1 win)
 
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Sc00by

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A lot of opposing mangers say "Liverpool passed us off the park, we did'nt have an answer to them"
 

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These matches do still happen though, so please dont expect to plug this in and win everything. This certainly is no ModernWarfare442. This is about finding that balance between realism and playing nice football.

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Luckily I had already won the league when this happened.
 

Sc00by

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If anyone wants to try this, drop me a PM with your email address.

Until I figure out how to upload it here thats the best I can do.
 

Sc00by

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Ive already uploaded it but Im not sure Im allowed to post it here or not.

Ive emailed it to 3 people who have asked so far.

If Im allowed to post the upload link then I will, but I thought it had to be cleared with admin first.
 

Pietr

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Wooww... Plugged this in my Man City save. Won 11-0 to Everton with brilliant football. Good start. :)
 

Sc00by

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Good to hear!

What was your line up? Im interested because Im thinking about the types of player I could use in each position further down the line.(mainly thinking CM and AMR/L, also ST)
 

forestsim

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cant get the download link too work, keeps saying page cant be displayed anyone else having similar problems?
 

danikel

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As a Liverpool fan my first question will be why did you kill the squad? ;) A nice tactic though.
 

Sc00by

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The brutal answer danikel is that I wanted to win.

The truth is that I hadnt planned to do it this way. I had planned to use almost all of the younger players, but then when I had the chance to buy all the good Spanish U21s, I couldnt resist.

I can never be patient enough to wait for a guy to become decent/good when I know I can buy someone exceptional at the same age thats already there(close to his top level). Even when the guy does become at his best, he wont be good enough to be a regular anyway, so might as well cash in and get in the exceptional players.


Lots of people got this off me in email, and more from the download. We need to see more updates guys come on! Give a little back!
 
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Sc00by

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cant get the download link too work, keeps saying page cant be displayed anyone else having similar problems?
I just checked and it worked with no problem at all.

If you cant get it to work PM me your email address and I'll send it to you direct.
 

HMB2000

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This looks interesting! I'm always interested in possession-based tactics. I'm also interested in lower league/table teams. My current save is Southampton, for example, and the board wants me to avoid relegation. Do you have any idea how this tactic performs with teams that don't have access to the most technically-gifted squad?
 

Pietr

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Still using this tactic as for me it plays very nice decent attacking football. There are always a minimum of 3CCC per match. Normally on average 4 to 5. I like how the entire team works good in this tactic. Directly from min 20 or so the stats go up to 7.0! The AMC scores allot of goals and mostly by a brilliant attack and a CCC to finish off.
I LIKEEEEE
 

Sc00by

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HMB I have only ever used this with Liverpool, who have always been at the top during my reign. Try it and let us know how you go.

Pietr, tell your front 4 to all play 1-2s, you will see some great link up play especially between AMC and ST.

I wish I could upload goals... I could post some amazing passing goals.


I have had a fantastic start to the next season, no transfers in at all in summer, I sold Romero for £30m as he was 5th choice CM anyway. So the team know each other inside out.

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Every game is like 70% possession now, lol
 
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