UNREAL!

[Peki87]

Well i don't have quality players in 3rd Spanish division, and even worst, i don't have money to buy them...

Still, i have been hoping for better results...

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

I guess it dosn't work for very small clubs...

Peki87, the sample you provided is really small and there's lack of additional important information in order to make suggestion does it "work" or not if you need some help you should provide additional information, the list of what you need to provide can be found at the bottom of the OP.

 

[Peki87]

I am going to finish hole season, it is a very good tactic, but i have very,very,very bad players...

 

[Jusley]

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[rikishi19]

I'm finding that a large number of shots in the game are from distance even without having players with the PPM shoots from distance. Any way to reduce this? This is by far the best tactic defensively I've ever used in an FM game, but after a bright start am really struggling to score now & nearly all my players have poor ratings, striker especially are doing terrible. Have just reached January in first season & I know you say to play it for at least a season first, but I have never had ratings this bad before, yet still just about getting results.

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[TotalFootballFan9]

I'm finding that a large number of shots in the game are from distance even without having players with the PPM shoots from distance. Any way to reduce this? This is by far the best tactic defensively I've ever used in an FM game, but after a bright start am really struggling to score now & nearly all my players have poor ratings, striker especially are doing terrible. Have just reached January in first season & I know you say to play it for at least a season first, but I have never had ratings this bad before, yet still just about getting results.

Rikishi19, finish the season because only after that it's possible to make any suggestions, also show your training and numbers of friendly you played.

Who are your 2 players for WBL position and who are your 2 players for WBL position? Also who are 2 players for MC position?

I see you play Angel Di Maria on MC position… how is it possible?

 

[rikishi19]

Rikishi19, finish the season because only after that it's possible to make any suggestions, also show your training and numbers of friendly you played.

Who are your 2 players for WBL position and who are your 2 players for WBL position? Also who are 2 players for MC position?

I see you play Angel Di Maria on MC position… how is it possible?

Training:

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Pre Season:

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For training, up until the last few games I have had Match Training on Def. Positioning, but just changed it to Att. Movement to see if it improves my problem with not scoring.

WBL is Shaw first choice, then Blind back up or Rojo if I have everyone fit and put Jones, Smalling, Evans in Defence.

WBR is Rafael first choice, Valencia back up (I had to use Blind there for a while as both Rafael & Valencia were injured for 2+ months at the same time)

MC I mainly use Di Maria, but Herrera as back up. Been using Herrera as DM, but I think I will try & get Strootman as first choice DM as Herrera I think is more suited to CM.

Di Maria I have as CM as that is where Van Gaal played him now at United & he played half a season there for Madrid last year, so I used the game editor to update Manchester United transfers to the latest window & a couple of the players positions to suit how Van Gaal uses them.

Manchester United this season is the main reason I liked to try this tactic as it is pretty much exactly what Van Gaal is trying to do with them in real life.

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

Manchester United this season is the main reason I liked to try this tactic as it is pretty much exactly what Van Gaal is trying to do with them in real life.

Mate, if you are going to role-play it's your choice but what works in real life not necessary will work in FM... it's sad but fact

I see that a lot of players don't suite attributes and positions recommendation and I don't know maybe you edited them but without editing they don't suite.

In this case I can only advise you stick to the filters and "Recommended Team Setup" at OP.

 

[rikishi19]

Mate, if you are going to role-play it's your choice but what works in real life not necessary will work in FM... it's sad but fact

I see that a lot of players don't suite attributes and positions recommendation and I don't know maybe you edited them but without editing they don't suite.

In this case I can only advise you stick to the filters and "Recommended Team Setup" at OP.

All I edited was a couple of players positions to what Van Gaal is doing, no attributes. I used the filters to look for players, but they only seem to find very average players with 13/14 for a lot of stats. For example, Godin at CB, Paulinho/Rakitic CM, Diame/Matic DM but they are worse than what I have.

Edit:
I agree a couple of positions do not suit the tactic properly yet, mainly CM/AM but this is the team Man U have now so I wanted that with no transfers in first window to represent true life now.

My plan for team, with back up players in (brackets) is:

GK: De Gea
DCL: Rojo (New signing?)
DC: Vertonghen (Evans)
DCR: Jones (New Signing?)
WBL: Shaw (New Signing?)
WBR: Rafael (New Signing?)
DM: Strootman (Blind)
CM: Herrera (New Signing?)
AM: Di Maria (Januzaj)
ST(s): Rooney (Mata, retrained to ST)
ST: RVP (Falcao)

Anything you would change? I think those players would suit better?

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

All I edited was a couple of players positions to what Van Gaal is doing, no attributes. I used the filters to look for players, but they only seem to find very average players with 13/14 for a lot of stats. For example, Godin at CB, Paulinho/Rakitic CM, Diame/Matic DM but they are worse than what I have.

Here's recommended team setup from OP. Can you put your players the same way in order to see how well it suites?

RECOMMENDED TEAM SETUP:


- 2 players(1 main and 1 for rotation/backup) who can play WBL position and they must have at least "Competent" rating for ML position If they don't have it you always can train them ML position. They must be left footed.

- 2 players(1 main and 1 for rotation/backup) who can play WBR position and they must have at least "Competent" rating for MR position If they don't have it you always can train them MR position. They must be right footed.

- 1 player who can play WBR/WBL positions. He may have only "Competent" rating for these positions and you need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players for these positions. Also it's important that this player has at least "Reasonable" rating for his weak foot because he must be capable to play on right and left flank when needed.

- 3 players who can play Striker position: 2 main and 1 for rotation. Also it's possible to have additional player for this position, you need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players.

- 5 players who can play on Central Defender position: 3 main players and 2 for rotation. Few of them must be left footed in order to play DCL position and few must be right footed to play DCR position. Also it’s possible to have additional player for this position, you need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players.

- 2 players who can play AM position and one of them must have "Competent" rating for MC position.

- 2 players who can play MC position and one of them must have "Competent" rating for AM position and other must have "Competent" rating for DM position.

- 2 players who can play DM position and have "Competent" for MC position.

- 1 player who has at least "Competent" rating for AM/CM/DM positions. You need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players for these positions.

P.S. This team setup haven't been taken out of thin air, you need it in order to use Overload and Waste Time version and also to be protected from injuries.

 

[rikishi19]

Here's recommended team setup from OP. Can you put your players the way in order to see how well it suites?

Quote Originally Posted by TotalFootballFan9 View Post
RECOMMENDED TEAM SETUP:


- 2 players(1 main and 1 for rotation/backup) who can play WBL position and have at least "Competent" rating for ML position If they don't have it you always can train them ML position. They must be left footed.
Shaw, Blind

- 2 players(1 main and 1 for rotation/backup) who can play WBR position and have at least "Competent" rating for MR position If they don't have it you always can train them MR position. They must be right footed.
Rafael, Valencia

- 1 player who can play WBR/WBL positions. He may have only "Competent" rating for these positions and you need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players for these positions. Also it's important that this player has at least "Reasonable" rating for his weak foot because he must be capable to play on right and left flank when needed.
Blind

- 3 players who can play Striker position: 2 main and 1 for rotation. Also it's possible to have additional player for this position, you need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players.
Rooney, RVP, Falcao

- 5 players who can play on Central Defender position: 3 main players and 2 for rotation. Few of them must be left footed in order to play DCL position and few must be right footed to play DCR position. Also it’s possible to have additional player for this position, you need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players.
Jones, Rojo, Evans, Smalling, Blind

- 2 players who can play AM position and one of them must have "Competent" rating for MC position.
Mata, Januzaj, Di Maria

- 2 players who can play MC position and one of them must have "Competent" rating for AM position and other must have "Competent" rating for DM position.
Di Maria, Herrera, Fellaini, Carrick, Blind

- 2 players who can play DM position and have "Competent" for MC position.
Herrera, Fellaini, Carrick, Blind, Fletcher

- 1 player who has at least "Competent" rating for AM/CM/DM positions. You need him in case of unlucky injuries streak of main/rotation players for these positions.
Herrera, Fellaini


P.S. This team setup haven't been taken out of thin air, you need it in order to use Overload and Waste Time version and also to be protected from injuries.

I added the plan for what I want to do with my team in my post before (seemed to do it at the same time you posted XD)

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

I added the plan for what I want to do with my team in my post before (seemed to do it at the same time you posted XD)

Let's take for example Daley Blind. Here's his attributes:

and here's recommended minimal level of important attributes for WBL position. I marked red attributes which have strong importance but he missed it heavily.

- Work Rate 14+
- Crossing 13+
- Dribbling 13+
- Technique 13+
- Aceleration 14+
- Pace 13+
- Agility 13+
- Positioning 11+
- Tackling 13+
- Marking 11+
- Anticipating 13+
- Off The Ball 11+
- Composure 11+
- Passing 12+
- Teamwork 11+


as you can see he has many important attributes for this position below minimal recommended level. I want to stress that it’s only minimal recommended level because you want many of these attributes much higher.

For example, here's the player I use in my West Ham save for WBL position:

Just look on his speed, dribbling and crossing… is god like compare to Daley Blind.

you can do the compare for other players.

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

Daley Blind is too slow, he can't dribble and have poor crossing, all these mean no goals for you it’s simple as that

 

[rikishi19]

Blind is just a utility man that is back up for all the defensive positions. There will be no player in the game that can play all 3 DC, DM & WB's to your minimum, but he is a good player to keep as he can play all of these positions in case of bad injuries.

This is the team I want to get:

GK: De Gea
DCL: Rojo (New signing?)
DC: Vertonghen (Evans)
DCR: Jones (New Signing?)
WBL: Shaw (New Signing?)
WBR: Rafael (New Signing?)
DM: Strootman (Blind)
CM: Herrera (New Signing?)
AM: Di Maria (Januzaj)
ST(s): Rooney (Mata, retrained to ST)
ST: RVP (Falcao)

Not so sure Herrera is best for CM

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

Other example... let's take Di Maria. Here’s his attributes:

In this tactic player on MC position is supposed greatly contribute to defense and in order to do that he must have good level of Positioning, Marking, Tackling, Work Rate, Teamwork, Strength, Jumping Reach and some other attributes.

Minimal recommended level for these attributes: Positioning - 12 Marking - 10, Tackling - 10 Work Rate - 14, Teamwork – 14, Strength – 10, Jumping Reach – 9. I want stress it one more time that it's only minimal recommended level and you want these attributes slightly higher but as you can see Di Maria misses heavily even minimal levels.

For example, here's player I use for MC position:

 

[coolestrock]

I'm having problems setting up individual training for each player, because the attributes are different values, and are not for designated roles. Have you got an individual training plan so i can can train all the attributes for the different positions that you have put in your filters, or could you explain how you go about training your players please.

 

[ajooba]

It didnt work out for me playing with Liverpool or Atletico. Didnt gave it enough time. In second season with Benfica it was fantastic. It became to easy in Portugal - then I lost interest. For me the biggest challenge is beating R.Madrid/Barcelona. Can't remember when I did that. So ill be taking over Valencia and try to beat those bastards within some years

 

[rikishi19]

Other example... let's take Di Maria. Here’s his attributes:

In this tactic player on MC position is supposed greatly contribute to defense and in order to do that he must have good level of Positioning, Marking, Tackling, Work Rate, Teamwork, Strength, Jumping Reach and some other attributes.

Minimal recommended level for these attributes: Positioning - 12 Marking - 10, Tackling - 10 Work Rate - 14, Teamwork – 14, Strength – 10, Jumping Reach – 9. I want stress it one more time that it's only minimal recommended level and you want these attributes slightly higher but as you can see Di Maria misses heavily even minimal levels.

For example, here's player I use for MC position:

Yes I agree, which is why I plan on using di Maria as AM not CM

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

Blind is just a utility man that is back up for all the defensive positions.

Here's quote from OP:

- Both Wing Backs get tired during matches because they contribute a lot to attack and defense so I would recommend to use subs for them.

Blind simply can't be just utility man because 2nd players for WBL/WBR positions have such importance as main players because almost every match they play at least 1/3 of the match. I usually subs them about 60 min by that time they usually have condition less than 78%.

This is the team I want to get:

GK: De Gea
DCL: Rojo (New signing?)
DC: Vertonghen (Evans)
DCR: Jones (New Signing?)
WBL: Shaw (New Signing?)
WBR: Rafael (New Signing?)
DM: Strootman (Blind)
CM: Herrera (New Signing?)
AM: Di Maria (Januzaj)
ST(s): Rooney (Mata, retrained to ST)
ST: RVP (Falcao)

Not so sure Herrera is best for CM

Heh... Mate, finaly you mean business. You should start from this

 

[rikishi19]

Blind simply can't be just utility man because 2nd players for WBL/WBR positions have such importance as main players because almost every match they play at least 1/3 of the match. I usually subs the about 60 min by that time they usually have condition less than 78%.

By utility man, I mean 3rd choice for each position, the back up for the back ups. I had Rafael, Valencia, Herrera, Fletcher & Fellaini all injured at the same time at one point. So now Blind can play as I had no one else at WBR & 3 DM's all injured at the same time. If I did not have Blind, I would have had no WBR & no back up to Carrick who was my only fit DM left. So he does not fit all attributes, but he came in handy as he can play so many positions, which only one or two in whole game can.