Budget cuts to Universities?

[Ride The Walrus]

I'm planning to go to Uni in a few years, since I'm, without sounding smug, pretty smart; my family are in no way poor, we're pretty cumfy, my Dad even plays two season tickets, but if I want to go, it will be a struggle to go.

No doubt they need budget cuts, but this is the wrong place to do it; the education of the younger people is v. important.

 

[DanWalsallFC]

Should just keep them the same and tax the people more who qualify to be doctors and other high paid jobs..
Simple stuff really.
I didn't vote Lib Dems because, although not a political man, I knew the most likely outcome would be a Lib Dem/Con and Lib Dems would have to compromise with Cons on things and I am not "upper" class so I'd be targeted!
They'll successfully make the gap between poor and rich worse.

 

[Joel`]

Should just keep them the same and tax the people more who qualify to be doctors and other high paid jobs..
Simple stuff really.
I didn't vote Lib Dems because, although not a political man, I knew the most likely outcome would be a Lib Dem/Con and Lib Dems would have to compromise with Cons on things and I am not "upper" class so I'd be targeted!
They'll successfully make the gap between poor and rich worse.

The gap between rich and poor would be worst with Labour anyway. I don't agree with university cuts, but I do think the Tories are the only ones that can sort our mess of an economy out. Labour are the reason we're here in the first place.

 

[Jack Fulham]

The gap between rich and poor would be worst with Labour anyway. I don't agree with university cuts, but I do think the Tories are the only ones that can sort our mess of an economy out. Labour are the reason we're here in the first place.

I wouldn't completely blame the labour government, the collapse of the American banks didn't help and our own banks were just as guilty.

 

[Ride The Walrus]

The gap between rich and poor would be worst with Labour anyway. I don't agree with university cuts, but I do think the Tories are the only ones that can sort our mess of an economy out. Labour are the reason we're here in the first place.

It was a global recession, there was very little labour could've done Imo. How do you know tories would've done any better?

 

[DanWalsallFC]

The gap between rich and poor would be worst with Labour anyway. I don't agree with university cuts, but I do think the Tories are the only ones that can sort our mess of an economy out. Labour are the reason we're here in the first place.

Correction: It was a global recession caused by greedy bankers.

 

[Bowen91]

As a student, I'm really concerned by this! I really want to go to uni and study sports psychology, but I don't know whether I fancy being in debt just for studying. Plus you cannot even guarantee getting a job that will involve the degree I achieve.
It is a fact that in the future (not sure on the date exactly) that 80% of jobs will require a degree of some sort, but with the soaring uni fees, how on earth is that going to happen. I sense Britain on the decline, and very badly unless something happens drastically and quick.

 

[Joel`]

Correction: It was a global recession caused by greedy bankers.

Correction: Gordon Brown de-regulated the banks to increase competition, this worked and gave us growth, the US had no choice but to do the same. UK and USA banks were then running wild lending that was a huge gamble.

Yeah, it was a global recession, but no other country but Greece came out of it with a deficit the size of ours. The reason why we have such a huge deficit is down to 12 years of horrible fiscal policy from the Labour government, not a global recession.

Labour spent money on things we simply didn't need, and made the public sector horribly inefficient. Running up to elections we had an overheating economy, but rather than be sensible and cut spending and raise taxes, Labour kept spending MORE and taxed LESS, to appeal to voters, this got them into power, but it put us in this horrible position.

Why would it be better with the Tories? Because they're not afraid to take an unpopular decision when it makes economic sense (Thatcher for example) and they never have overspent.

So, why can't I blame this on labour?

 

[YTFC Fan]

As for the voting system, if it was just done by who got the most amount of votes, the Tories would probably come out 3rd best.

On the current system, if all three main parties got the exact same number of votes in the country, Labour win the election with a majority of circa 50 seats.

And people blame the bankers? Sure, they are not blameless but it is the investment bankers and traders, not the front line staff we all see in the branches. But they are not the only people to blame. We have a structural deficit of over £100billion after all.

I just cant understand why there is such an anti tory vote when it was a Labour government who got us into this mess - they have THIRTEEN years to do things yet they failed. They virtually bankrupted this country as they always do. This tuition fees argument is the government implementing what LABOUR commissioned!

As Margaret Thatcher once said: "The problem with soicialism, is that you always run out of someone elses money."

 

[nilelg5]

I heard uni's in china are good and cheap better then england

 

[GodCubed]

Correction: Gordon Brown de-regulated the banks to increase competition, this worked and gave us growth, the US had no choice but to do the same. UK and USA banks were then running wild lending that was a huge gamble.

Deregulating the banks was risky, yes, and ultimately a bad choice, but it did give us a huge boom period of about 10 years. If Lehman hadn't triggered the financial crisis everything would be still going along as it was, admittedly to have a collapse at a later date, but at the time it was a gamble that paid off.

Yeah, it was a global recession, but no other country but Greece came out of it with a deficit the size of ours. The reason why we have such a huge deficit is down to 12 years of horrible fiscal policy from the Labour government, not a global recession.

The USA and Spain came out of it with bigger deficits than us. Most of the reason we have such a huge deficit is our emphasis on banking in this country, it's one of our biggest sectors.

Why would it be better with the Tories? Because they're not afraid to take an unpopular decision when it makes economic sense (Thatcher for example) and they never have overspent.

Dave Cameron keeps on telling us it's a "new Tory party", a different one to the past. In theory, then, he'll make all the wrong choices economically, crumble at the first sign of opposition and overspend wildly.

Also, we have George Osborne as Chancellor. GEORGE OSBORNE. I refuse to hold much hope for the economy whilst he's in charge of it.

 

[Joel`]

Deregulating the banks was risky, yes, and ultimately a bad choice, but it did give us a huge boom period of about 10 years. If Lehman hadn't triggered the financial crisis everything would be still going along as it was, admittedly to have a collapse at a later date, but at the time it was a gamble that paid off.

How did it pay off when it landed every major economy in the world in recession? The aim is to have sustainable growth, having a huge boom period will simply always lead to a downturn in the future. It's far better to grow at a slower rate and not suffer a huge downturn, than to have a huge boom/bust cycle. Gordon Brown claimed he had ended boom/bust, which is why he said it was good that we grew at such a fast rate. In hindsight, de-regulating clearly didn't pay off, hence why regulation has been made stronger once more.

The USA and Spain came out of it with bigger deficits than us. Most of the reason we have such a huge deficit is our emphasis on banking in this country, it's one of our biggest sectors.

Spain has the highest unemployment rate in the EU which speaks for itself. The USA had George Bush as a president for 8 years, and has a far larger economy, and Obama believes in the same philosophy of spending your way out of trouble as Labour do.

Our strong banking sector helps our deficit. Banking services is the only major export we have as economy, and is our biggest sector. Exports injects money into the economy.

Dave Cameron keeps on telling us it's a "new Tory party", a different one to the past. In theory, then, he'll make all the wrong choices economically, crumble at the first sign of opposition and overspend wildly.

Also, we have George Osborne as Chancellor. GEORGE OSBORNE. I refuse to hold much hope for the economy whilst he's in charge of it.

If they would also have allowed such a deficit, they simply would not be cutting so deeply, so quickly right now.

 

[*Jones*]

*david cameron's thoughts*

right, we've got massive deficits! how the **** can we pay them off?



oooh i know, i'll put uni costs up. I'm rich, so my kids will be just swell when they get that old, and we needed more richboy bumbums like me in this country, i mean if they were, this country would be spiffing!"

on a serious note. propeeeeer clever idea here cleggy boy now if you don't mind, remove your head from Mr. Cameron's head please? Ta. Seriously, how is this going to help anything? it's just going to make everything worse imo. They're making it harder to go to uni and by doing so, it means the quality of peoples education dips - meaning less qualified people who if qualified could probably go on and help the country get some of that money back...

 

[Niall]

Latest YouGov poll:
Conservatives 40%
Labour 40%
Lib Dems 9%

Bye-bye Lib Dems, and good riddance.

I'm in my final year of uni, I'm going to end up with about £25,000 of debt which is a **** of a lot of money.

With rises in tuition fees, many people's student debt could end up being c.£50,000. If I would have been faced with such debt I would never had gone to uni.

Better education = smarter workforce = higher salaries = more government revenue

Education is an investment and everyone should have the opportunity to go to university, not just the priviledged few. Raising tuition fees is a big step backwards, Britain dropped from 3rd in the World to 15th in numbers of people graduating and it's only going to get worse now. We are going to be rapidly falling behind other countries.

p.s. I'm probably going to go to Sweden for my masters, a decent masters course here can cost £10,000 - £15,000 now, and will probably rise as well, whereas in Sweden there are no fees so long as you're from an EU state (Who said being in the EU is no good?). Also lots of lovely Swedish ladies

 

[Cal.]

Latest YouGov poll:
Conservatives 40%
Labour 40%
Lib Dems 9%

Bye-bye Lib Dems, and good riddance.

I'm in my final year of uni, I'm going to end up with about £25,000 of debt which is a **** of a lot of money.

With rises in tuition fees, many people's student debt could end up being c.£50,000. If I would have been faced with such debt I would never had gone to uni.

Better education = smarter workforce = higher salaries = more government revenue

Education is an investment and everyone should have the opportunity to go to university, not just the priviledged few. Raising tuition fees is a big step backwards, Britain dropped from 3rd in the World to 15th in numbers of people graduating and it's only going to get worse now. We are going to be rapidly falling behind other countries.

p.s. I'm probably going to go to Sweden for my masters, a decent masters course here can cost £10,000 - £15,000 now, and will probably rise as well, whereas in Sweden there are no fees so long as you're from an EU state (Who said being in the EU is no good?). Also lots of lovely Swedish ladies

I wouldn't say good riddance to the Lib Dems, they've been the only party with vaguely decent policies (albeit they've had more freedom due to never seriously having a chance to get power), and now they've let themselves down with how they've handled the hung government and coalition. With their demise the tories and labour are only going to gain more power...

As for the EU fees thing, what I find weird (that I only found out the other day) is that in addition to Scottish/Scottish based people getting to study free there, so do EU students, excluding the rest of Britain of course.

One of my problems with the current system is the number of bullshit degrees wasting resources for little benefit, thanks to Labour's vision of having 50% of people go into higher education.

 

[Niall]

I wouldn't say good riddance to the Lib Dems, they've been the only party with vaguely decent policies

One of their best policies was cutting tuition fees. Having good policies is no use if you u-turn on them when you get in power.

 

[Ben]

I heard uni's in china are good and cheap better then england

No ****. You'd have to learn Chinese though, and grow into a 'weird' culture, very difficult for the vast majority of Brits.

 

[Nixon]

One of my problems with the current system is the number of bullshit degrees wasting resources for little benefit, thanks to Labour's vision of having 50% of people go into higher education.

Agreed with this. I believe far fewer people should be able to go to universities. This should be done by making universities harder to get into, with only the smarter students gaining access, rather than nearly everyone with 2 brain cells doing some crappy course. Some of the courses are ridiculous now, and I think universities should be limited to fewer, more clever people. I don't think raising tuition fees is the best way to go about it, as it won't help in the short term either, as it will only result in far more expensive loans being taken out. It will limit university applicants, but that's because only richer people will apply. I think everyone should have the opportunity to go to uni, and the deciding factor being intelligence rather than wealth.

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p.s. I'm probably going to go to Sweden for my masters, a decent masters course here can cost £10,000 - £15,000 now, and will probably rise as well, whereas in Sweden there are no fees so long as you're from an EU state (Who said being in the EU is no good?). Also lots of lovely Swedish ladies

Just wondering, how did you apply for that?

I've had a quick look at a few unis there, and it seems that only Masters courses are taught in English, whereas undergraduate courses are only taught in Swedish? :S

 

[Joel`]

Lib Dems get a tiny bit of power and they basically do political suicide. *claps*

 

[goona4life]

i agree that we do need tuition fees to rise, we've had it so low compared to the rest of the developed world and it also ensures that the value of degrees will rise as the number of them fall, its like supply and demand, at the moment only the graduates coming out of top unis are getting decent jobs where-as in the the future there will be less graduates and thus the worth of the degree to each graduate is significantly higher, it will also encourage students not **** around at uni and not to show up.
P.s. i wont get to uni till 2016ish and by that time prices may have risen again