as his managerial record is less then impressive.
He done okay with the kids sides, but failed with city and forest. Surely to be england Manager, you should at least of had some sort of success at club level.
Hasn't earned the right? How?
not at all, i think that club success can sometimes be irrelvant, especially if you are looking to build for the future. look at loew and klinnsman for germany. there is an inherent understand between players and manager becuase they have worked together for so long. if you are looking for someone to do a 2 year sting then yes, club experience is important, but if we are looking a along term job (which we really should be imo, there is a lot to be fixed before we can be anywhere near they very very best) then you want pearce hands downas his managerial record is less then impressive.
He done okay with the kids sides, but failed with city and forest. Surely to be england Manager, you should at least of had some sort of success at club level.
not at all, i think that club success can sometimes be irrelvant, especially if you are looking to build for the future. look at loew and klinnsman for germany. there is an inherent understand between players and manager becuase they have worked together for so long. if you are looking for someone to do a 2 year sting then yes, club experience is important, but if we are looking a along term job (which we really should be imo, there is a lot to be fixed before we can be anywhere near they very very best) then you want pearce hands down
If you look at past appointments at national level e.g Van Basten, Klinsmann, Maradona none of them had success at club level yet were made national coaches and all of them got their respective nations to major tournaments.
But Pearce doesnt deserve the job, you can use Loew and Klinnsman as an example. I could use Sven and Maclaren. It worked for the Germans because they have a world class squad, we simply do not.
Look what happened to all of them though, they got to a major tourny then where sacked after it. Maradonna didnt stay long, and his regime was a complete failure really. he nearly did the impossible by having a team full of Messi, Tevez, Aguero and Mascherano and not qualifying.
as his managerial record is less then impressive.
He done okay with the kids sides, but failed with city and forest. Surely to be england Manager, you should at least of had some sort of success at club level.
what do you mean he doesnt deserve the job? it sounds like youve written off peacre and wont accept any argument to the contraryBut Pearce doesnt deserve the job, you can use Loew and Klinnsman as an example. I could use Sven and Maclaren. It worked for the Germans because they have a world class squad, we simply do not.
Look what happened to all of them though, they got to a major tourny then where sacked after it. Maradonna didnt stay long, and his regime was a complete failure really. he nearly did the impossible by having a team full of Messi, Tevez, Aguero and Mascherano and not qualifying.
If I'm not wrong, Loew was assistant then became manager, was it the case with Sven and steve mcclaren? I dont know much, just making sure.
what do you mean he doesnt deserve the job? it sounds like youve written off peacre and wont accept any argument to the contrary
the german squad 2004 was a wreck, and Klinnsman and Loew rebuilt it into a world cup side. who says that pearce cant do the same,since he knows and understands the strengths and weaknesses of those who will form our side in 4 years
no im saying pearce has been sucessful with the under 21s, he knows the under 21s inside out, he has been in the england set up for a long time. when you are bringing players through to the side seniors side he can build an style into england from the ground up, make a genuinely strong foundationIt was the case.
So on your basis he deserves the job because it worked on a one off with Germany. We arent the Germans, Capello isnt Klinnsman and Pearce aint Loew. You cant give someone a job on the basis a similar situation worked once, he hasnt been a big enough success to be England manager, Unless he gets a club job and be successful for the nexr 20 months, for him to be considered is stupid.
My point was Scott, those I mentioned had no prior experience and yet they still got to the major tournaments. Managing at club level is entirely different to managing a nation. Cap has one of the best club records yet he is finding it hard at national level. It takes a different mentality to manage a nation than a club. You are saying it should be someone that has had some record at managing club level then there are more qualified people than Mark Hughes but it does not work that way. If England are looking to build long term then someone like Pearce is ideal.
no im saying pearce has been sucessful with the under 21s, he knows the under 21s inside out, he has been in the england set up for a long time. when you are bringing players through to the side seniors side he can build an style into england from the ground up, make a genuinely strong foundation
club experience isnt the name as national team experience. if you want some for 2 years you get someone like ancellotti. if you want a long term project you want someone who knows the side and can mould team. you certainly dont want mark hughes.
we re just going round in circles, i think between me, j gibbard, and Ianc we've shown why he could makea good england manager, certainly if we are aiming for some to be there a long time.
The advantage of U 18s,U21s manager becoming manager is all there to see with Barcelona. Pep knows inside out of youth players as he was the manager of Barca B and the amount of players he is promoting is unreal. Might work with England as Pearce knows youngsters better than many.
his side already play some good football. and at international level "knowing" is very important because you get nowhere near the amount of time you do with club level, from what ive seen of them they shape up fairly well tactically tooHe also loves England and will be passionate about the job.The man is an England legend. He will get respect from the fans and more importantly, he will get respect from the players. He isn't nicknamed 'Psycho' for nothing. The players will listen to him.
He also loves England and will be passionate about the job.The man is an England legend. He will get respect from the fans and more importantly, he will get respect from the players. He isn't nicknamed 'Psycho' for nothing. The players will listen to him.
his side already play some good football. and at international level "knowing" is very important because you get nowhere near the amount of time you do with club level, from what ive seen of them they shape up fairly well tactically too
For the record Pearce isn't the number 2, Baldini is. Pearce is just a coach for England.I love the country with a passion, I am called crazy by the guys i coach for cricket, doesnt mean i make a good international manager for england. The Fans, players and Media wont give too **** about him if we start to lose. Fabio is a bigger name in football then Pearce, yet we have players retiring, fans booing and the media slaughtering him.
Hughes again knows international football well. With pearce being an number 2 is a lot different to being a number one at any level. His name can only take him so far.
For the record Pearce isn't the number 2, Baldini is. Pearce is just a coach for England.
Its nothing to do with his name. Im talking about his abilities as England under 21 manager. international management requires an innate understanding of the players, a good motivational bond and tactical nous, which he has shown with the under 21s.
both Hughes and Pearce have shown they have the last two at international level, but Pearce has a big edge on him on the players,haiving been under 21 manager for almost 4 years, something that is incredibly important. I never said Pearce will make a good manager, since i cant see into the future, but he could be, he has the qualities to be one.
A an aside, you keep saying a number 2 doesn't always mean a good number 1. the same can be said conversely, a good number 2 wont always be a bad number 1.
Besides Hughes isn't going to get the job. Whether you agree with it or not, the FA have decided on an English manager after Capello.
fabio dont give a **** about the england team his just in it for the MONEY lol