Ferguson four-letter blast at FA

[CJACKO11]

So Richards didn't swear on purpose and Rooney did it on purpose? Ok.

Punishment was deserved? Then where was the punishment for Richards, Gerrard and others. .

So it's okay for Richards to lose control of his actions despite him having a ton more time to prepare?

Sooooooo much double standards in these arguments.

I never said it was ok did i?? I just said Rooney's incident looked much worse and was aimed at the audience watching at home. Richards proberly deserved a fine/one game ban but nothing more.

 

[Sid]

Thats down to the ref to punish the player in question. If he dosent then who's fault is it?? Refs want respect but all the time they dont punish players for doing this then they will keep doing it. Saying that swearing at a ref is different than swearing directly down a camera.

The ref didn't punish Rooney though...

 

[Joel`]

I never said it was ok did i?? I just said Rooney's incident looked much worse and was aimed at the audience watching at home. Richards proberly deserved a fine/one game ban but nothing more.

How is it worse? Both swore? Check. Into the camera? Check. Yet Richards gets a lesser punishment, even though it's easy to argue he was far more in control. Not hard to see why Fergie said what he did today.

 

[CJACKO11]

The ref didn't punish Rooney though...

I know?? Whats your point

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How is it worse? Both swore? Check. Into the camera? Check. Yet Richards gets a lesser punishment, even though it's easy to argue he was far more in control. Not hard to see why Fergie said what he did today.

You have to take the way it was delieverd also, Rooneys was in anger but Richards was a slip of the tongue. Utd dont get targeted by the FA at all, your starting to sound like Celtic and the whole conspiracy theories they have.

 

[Mike.]

What Richards done was bad too and he has done it twice but Rooney was in the headlines already and he snapped and swore down the camera on purpose. I genuinly dont think Richards dont it on purpose, maybe he needs lessons in media training or maybe he just needs to swear less but even still that dosent make what Rooney did any better and the punishment was deserved.

he swore in frustration. this idea of morally wrong is ridiculous because it doesn't appear in the rule book. and the Fa cant make up rules mid season (there is again a ruling on this). Terry, Gerrard, Reina have sworn at the ref and broken an actual rule. yet n punishment, so he is bang on about the inconsistency. LFCmarshall can disagree all he wants but i suggest he breaks out the laws of the game and realise it shoots a big hole in his argument

 

[Mike.]

I know?? Whats your point

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You have to take the way it was delieverd also, Rooneys was in anger but Richards was a slip of the tongue. Utd dont get targeted by the FA at all, your starting to sound like Celtic and the whole conspiracy theories they have.

You didnt answer about Terry or Reina, they could have been retrospectively punished, they werent

 

[sunilvk7]

I know?? Whats your point

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You have to take the way it was delieverd also, Rooneys was in anger but Richards was a slip of the tongue. Utd dont get targeted by the FA at all, your starting to sound like Celtic and the whole conspiracy theories they have.

Spoiler

FA Target United – 8 Reasons Why Whelan Is Wrong

March 1, 2011 58 Comments
“Something is wrong when a top international like Rooney is seen doing something like this, as clear as day, and is allowed to get away without being punished. If it was any other club or player, you can bet your life he would have been sent off. But officials seem intimidated by the words ‘Rooney’ and ‘United’. Manchester United are allowed to get away with things the rest of us get pulled up for. And you can’t have one set of rules for one club and another for the rest.”
Every team gets decisions that go against them. Until there is video refereeing, and possibly even after that, we can’t rely on the right decision being made 100% of the time.
However, it is the decisions that are made by the FA after the game which can help prove bias. Manchester United have long argued that the FA make an example out of our players whilst some misguided people, like Dave Whelan above, think the FA let us get away with murder.
Wayne Rooney has been let off without punishment following him elbowing McCarthy in the head at the weekend against Wigan. People use this as proof that the FA treat United differently than other clubs.
Below you will find several examples of not just where the FA have treated United unfairly, but when in like for like examples, they have treated United more harshly. Being able to compare the more severe punishments handed out to our players for committing exactly the same cry as players from other teams who get off with lesser punishments makes a mockery of the claim United are favoured.
1. Pre-season friendlies
August 2nd 2010: Patrick Vieira is shown a straight red card in a pre-season friendly with Manchester City.
“If a player gets a red card in a friendly he gets a ban for his next friendly, not for competitive matches,” said a spokesperson for the FA.
Punishment: N/A
August 4th 2006: Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes sent off for Manchester United in pre-season Amsterdam Tournament.
“At a Disciplinary Commission hearing, Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes had claims for wrongful dismissal rejected and will therefore both serve three-match suspensions,” read an FA statement.
Punishment: 3 match ban in the league.
August 3rd 2003: Steven Gerrard and Neil Mellor sent off for Liverpool in pre-season Amsterdam Tournament.
Punishment: N/A
2. Celebrations
January 22nd 2006: Gary Neville celebrates last minute winner in front of opposition Liverpool fans by grabbing his badge and punching his fists in the air.
Punishment: £5,000 fine.

January 14th 2006: Robbie Fowler celebrates a goal for Manchester City in front of the opposition United fans by doing a ‘five finger salute’ in reference to the five European Cups Liverpool have won.
Punishment: N/A
3. Drugs tests
2003: Manchester United’s Rio Ferdinand missed a drugs test. (Rio tried to arrange a return to Carrington whilst the drug testers were still there but they said no, despite staying for a further half an hour. Read about this unjust treatment in more detail)
Punishment: Eight month ban and £50,000 fine
2002: Manchester City’s Christian Negouai missed a drugs test.
Punishment: £2,000 fine
4. Verbal abuse of the ref
January 16th 2011: Rafael da Silva shouts at referee Mike Dean and gets in his face after being wrongly shown a second yellow card.
Punishment: £8,000 fine.

March 10th 2010: Steven Gerrard tells Andre Marriner to “**** off” and sticks his fingers up at him after a freekick is awarded against him for a two footed tackle from behind.
Punishment: N/A
5. Forearm swings
January 26th 2010: Rio Ferdinand swings his arm at Craig Fagan in an off ball incident against Hull.
Punishment: 4 match ban (3 matches + 1 for appealing)
September 23rd 2010: Javier Mascherano swings his arm at Jermaine Beckford in an off ball incident against Leeds.
Punishment: N/A
6. Elbows
March 26th 2011: Wayne Rooney elbows James McCarthy in the head in an off the ball clash.
Punishment: N/A
September 25th 2010: Steven Gerrard elbow Danny Welbeck in the head.
Punishment: N/A
March 15th 2010: Steven Gerrard elbows Michael Brown in the head in an off the ball clash.
Punishment: N/A
7. The Derby
September 20th 2009: Craig Bellamy walks over to a restrained fan on the pitch and slaps him across the face.
Punishment: Warning of future conduct.
September 20th 2009: Shay Given runs to the Streford End, jumping up and down, pumping his fists in the air in celebration of a late Craig Bellamy goal.
Punishment: N/A
September 20th 2009: Gary Neville runs in the direction of the opposition City fans in celebration of an even later Michael Owen goal.
Punishment: Warning about future conduct.
8. Miscellaneous
The treatment of Patrice Evra by the FA. There is no comparisons for this as no other players that we known of have been the target for racial abuse by a club’s groundstaff after a game.

No worse than you lot saying we get all the decisions..

 

[CJACKO11]

he swore in frustration. this idea of morally wrong is ridiculous because it doesn't appear in the rule book. and the Fa cant make up rules mid season (there is again a ruling on this). Terry, Gerrard, Reina have sworn at the ref and broken an actual rule. yet n punishment, so he is bang on about the inconsistency. LFCmarshall can disagree all he wants but i suggest he breaks out the laws of the game and realise it shoots a big hole in his argument

I said Terry, Gerrard and Reina all should have been punished during the game but it never happend and tackles/handballs etc go unpunished all the time it just happens. Sky pay the PremierLeague and Rooneys wages infact and there are sad people around who would complain and threaten to get rid of Sky losing them money in the long run.

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You didnt answer about Terry or Reina, they could have been retrospectively punished, they werent

They could have been but was Seb Larsson punished for his handball the other day?? Unless it is dangerous play i.e Songs stamp on Barton then the FA wont do anything about it. Also some refs are more lieniant about swearing, some actually take if if they give it back.

 

[sunilvk7]

I said Terry, Gerrard and Reina all should have been punished during the game but it never happend and tackles/handballs etc go unpunished all the time it just happens. Sky pay the PremierLeague and Rooneys wages infact and there are sad people around who would complain and threaten to get rid of Sky losing them money in the long run.

BS. Manchester United pay Rooney's wages. TV deal is not the only source of income for us.

 

[Joel`]

I know?? Whats your point

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You have to take the way it was delieverd also, Rooneys was in anger but Richards was a slip of the tongue. Utd dont get targeted by the FA at all, your starting to sound like Celtic and the whole conspiracy theories they have.

So United don't get targeted by the FA, which I accept. But then it's okay for a **** of a lot of fans to say United get favoured by referees, that they get more extra time? Despite the evidence disproving all those claims. It would seem it's impossible for United to win.

 

[Mike.]

I said Terry, Gerrard and Reina all should have been punished during the game but it never happend and tackles/handballs etc go unpunished all the time it just happens. Sky pay the PremierLeague and Rooneys wages infact and there are sad people around who would complain and threaten to get rid of Sky losing them money in the long run.

But that should be irrelevant to the FA, this is my point. While i understand the point you're making, none of that should matter to the Fa, who should be independent arbiters of the law, not swayed, by SAF, the media or anything else.

And for the record more of our moneys comes from without sky than it does with sky, though i very much see where you are coming from.

 

[Joel`]

Just imagine the chaos if our courts operated in the same way as the FA..

'Oh you burgled someone? Well we'll let that fly, we haz much more srs murders to do!!1!'

 

[CJACKO11]

Spoiler

FA Target United – 8 Reasons Why Whelan Is Wrong

March 1, 2011 58 Comments
“Something is wrong when a top international like Rooney is seen doing something like this, as clear as day, and is allowed to get away without being punished. If it was any other club or player, you can bet your life he would have been sent off. But officials seem intimidated by the words ‘Rooney’ and ‘United’. Manchester United are allowed to get away with things the rest of us get pulled up for. And you can’t have one set of rules for one club and another for the rest.”
Every team gets decisions that go against them. Until there is video refereeing, and possibly even after that, we can’t rely on the right decision being made 100% of the time.
However, it is the decisions that are made by the FA after the game which can help prove bias. Manchester United have long argued that the FA make an example out of our players whilst some misguided people, like Dave Whelan above, think the FA let us get away with murder.
Wayne Rooney has been let off without punishment following him elbowing McCarthy in the head at the weekend against Wigan. People use this as proof that the FA treat United differently than other clubs.
Below you will find several examples of not just where the FA have treated United unfairly, but when in like for like examples, they have treated United more harshly. Being able to compare the more severe punishments handed out to our players for committing exactly the same cry as players from other teams who get off with lesser punishments makes a mockery of the claim United are favoured.
1. Pre-season friendlies
August 2nd 2010: Patrick Vieira is shown a straight red card in a pre-season friendly with Manchester City.
“If a player gets a red card in a friendly he gets a ban for his next friendly, not for competitive matches,” said a spokesperson for the FA.
Punishment: N/A
August 4th 2006: Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes sent off for Manchester United in pre-season Amsterdam Tournament.
“At a Disciplinary Commission hearing, Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes had claims for wrongful dismissal rejected and will therefore both serve three-match suspensions,” read an FA statement.
Punishment: 3 match ban in the league.
August 3rd 2003: Steven Gerrard and Neil Mellor sent off for Liverpool in pre-season Amsterdam Tournament.
Punishment: N/A
2. Celebrations
January 22nd 2006: Gary Neville celebrates last minute winner in front of opposition Liverpool fans by grabbing his badge and punching his fists in the air.
Punishment: £5,000 fine.

January 14th 2006: Robbie Fowler celebrates a goal for Manchester City in front of the opposition United fans by doing a ‘five finger salute’ in reference to the five European Cups Liverpool have won.
Punishment: N/A
3. Drugs tests
2003: Manchester United’s Rio Ferdinand missed a drugs test. (Rio tried to arrange a return to Carrington whilst the drug testers were still there but they said no, despite staying for a further half an hour. Read about this unjust treatment in more detail)
Punishment: Eight month ban and £50,000 fine
2002: Manchester City’s Christian Negouai missed a drugs test.
Punishment: £2,000 fine
4. Verbal abuse of the ref
January 16th 2011: Rafael da Silva shouts at referee Mike Dean and gets in his face after being wrongly shown a second yellow card.
Punishment: £8,000 fine.

March 10th 2010: Steven Gerrard tells Andre Marriner to “**** off” and sticks his fingers up at him after a freekick is awarded against him for a two footed tackle from behind.
Punishment: N/A
5. Forearm swings
January 26th 2010: Rio Ferdinand swings his arm at Craig Fagan in an off ball incident against Hull.
Punishment: 4 match ban (3 matches + 1 for appealing)
September 23rd 2010: Javier Mascherano swings his arm at Jermaine Beckford in an off ball incident against Leeds.
Punishment: N/A
6. Elbows
March 26th 2011: Wayne Rooney elbows James McCarthy in the head in an off the ball clash.
Punishment: N/A
September 25th 2010: Steven Gerrard elbow Danny Welbeck in the head.
Punishment: N/A
March 15th 2010: Steven Gerrard elbows Michael Brown in the head in an off the ball clash.
Punishment: N/A
7. The Derby
September 20th 2009: Craig Bellamy walks over to a restrained fan on the pitch and slaps him across the face.
Punishment: Warning of future conduct.
September 20th 2009: Shay Given runs to the Streford End, jumping up and down, pumping his fists in the air in celebration of a late Craig Bellamy goal.
Punishment: N/A
September 20th 2009: Gary Neville runs in the direction of the opposition City fans in celebration of an even later Michael Owen goal.
Punishment: Warning about future conduct.
8. Miscellaneous
The treatment of Patrice Evra by the FA. There is no comparisons for this as no other players that we known of have been the target for racial abuse by a club’s groundstaff after a game.

No worse than you lot saying we get all the decisions..

My short reply would be stop giving the FA reasons to punish you in the first place. Utd do not get punished more than other sides, all of the other sides in the PL the lower sides all think the FA are bias towards the top sides so that would counter your argument already. Utd seem to give the FA reasons to punish them more than others so i'd work ok that first.

 

[sunilvk7]

My short reply would be stop giving the FA reasons to punish you in the first place. Utd do not get punished more than other sides, all of the other sides in the PL the lower sides all think the FA are bias towards the top sides so that would counter your argument already. Utd seem to give the FA reasons to punish them more than others so i'd work ok that first.

I can safely say you didnt read or understand that article. Same mistakes, one being punished and others were let go free. If thats not double standards then what is.

So all other side thinks FA are bias towards big teams counters that argument? Really? At least try to give proper evidence to prove instead of posting for the heck of it.

 

[LFCMarshall]

CJACKO11

Id just give up, United fans will always feel there getting hard done by, and will always say everyone targets them.. your not gunna change their mind and they'll continue to disagree with you

 

[CJACKO11]

BS. Manchester United pay Rooney's wages. TV deal is not the only source of income for us.

Of corse its not the only source but its a major one.

So United don't get targeted by the FA, which I accept. But then it's okay for a **** of a lot of fans to say United get favoured by referees, that they get more extra time? Despite the evidence disproving all those claims. It would seem it's impossible for United to win.

The last i saw is that it proved Utd do get more time but it was by a number of seconds but that is irrelivent. All sides in the long run get decisions for and against then by refs its just the biggers sides calls are more published and hightened.

But that should be irrelevant to the FA, this is my point. While i understand the point you're making, none of that should matter to the Fa, who should be independent arbiters of the law, not swayed, by SAF, the media or anything else.

And for the record more of our moneys comes from without sky than it does with sky, though i very much see where you are coming from.

I know but even our actualy law isent consistant with punishments so thats no better lol. I agree with you the FA should be more consistant but i dont think they just punish Utd for something but then when another team/player does the same thing think "nah we wont punish these because its nothing to do with Utd".

 

[Mike.]

CJACKO11

Id just give up, United fans will always feel there getting hard done by, and will always say everyone targets them.. your not gunna change their mind and they'll continue to disagree with you

how about you just go away? both sides are giving valid arguments. either contribute or disappear, you started this nonsense yesterday

 

[sunilvk7]

CJACKO11

Id just give up, United fans will always feel there getting hard done by, and will always say everyone targets them.. your not gunna change their mind and they'll continue to disagree with you

LFC Marshall that was a great point really. Did you back your argument that United get easier group always? I'm still waiting..

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The last i saw is that it proved Utd do get more time but it was by a number of seconds but that is irrelivent. All sides in the long run get decisions for and against then by refs its just the biggers sides calls are more published and hightened.

Argument is not about Ref. Its about FA.

 

[Mike.]

Of corse its not the only source but its a major one.



The last i saw is that it proved Utd do get more time but it was by a number of seconds but that is irrelivent. All sides in the long run get decisions for and against then by refs its just the biggers sides calls are more published and hightened.



I know but even our actualy law isent consistant with punishments so thats no better lol. I agree with you the FA should be more consistant but i dont think they just punish Utd for something but then when another team/player does the same thing think "nah we wont punish these because its nothing to do with Utd".

In a roundabout way i guess we agree. United's status shouldn't have a bearing on any decisions whether its in our favour or against us. I have no problem with us being punished as long as the consistency is there.

 

[Fraz100]

Richards swore in a post match interview where he was in full control of his actions. Funny how people find excuses for him and at the same time say Rooney deserved it who was more emotional at that time. Scored a hattrick to cap a amazing come back, emotions were high, it was easy to see he lost control there.

And people saying Rooney swore into camera, Richards was also looking at cam when he swore..

You are complaining about people making excuses about Richard's swearing yet people are making excuses for Rooney such as "Emotional" or "Abused by fans". Richards just won a FA cup and people aren't making excuses such as him being emotional, although he would obviously be very emotional. It doesn't matter if a player is emotional or not, they are suppose to be professional and making excuses such as Rooney being emotional doesn't take a way the fact he swore deliberately into a camera when he knew millions of people would be watching, same goes for Richards.