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yeah thats a good idea. at the moment its a false 9 so he drops deep more
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yeah thats a good idea. at the moment its a false 9 so he drops deep more
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Frankenstein 334 Libero Revisited
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Its basically a width change -> team width is now 10.
Second and most important I think is that match training throughout the season was set to Teamwork. This was by mistake but what a good mistake
See the results for yourself:
5.9 goals a game average - best ever!
225 league goals (45 from set pieces, 180 from open play)!!!
League + CL overview, End of Season review, League Tables, Fixtures
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Its basically a width change -> team width is now 10.
Second and most important I think is that match training throughout the season was set to Teamwork. This was by mistake but what a good mistake
See the results for yourself:
5.9 goals a game average - best ever!
225 league goals (45 from set pieces, 180 from open play)!!!
League + CL overview, End of Season review, League Tables, Fixtures
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Hahahahaha!!!!!! - Again when you think the forum is dying champ becomes the champ and put all new fm's after 13 to shame - common everybody lets play fm13 - good job pal and if I'm not wrong that's a record you just did - well done!!!!!
So do I understand you correctly that you use teamwork for match training?
I have to say it again champ you should really upload your save to mediafire - would be fun to try
Did Morelli score more than 115 goals this time?
Anyway still haven't tried your version of the other tactics - but will for sure try this one - so only thing to think about is your SCR? creative striker anything else? fast defenders - well I share that opinon only partially but for sure it can never hurt.
Also to everyone - if this is match training=teamwork you should try that with original frankenstein and frankenstein 2nd visit just saying because maybe that will improve that tactic.
Good job champ i will jump on it very soon - I'm about to stay at my sisters house in a few days for a few days so i'm looking forward to some new environment yayy for me - wish they had a dog though - but they don't because they put it down due to them being so busy - jeeezzz - anyway i'm very impressed with you champ you kept going and seems like you found the magic
cheers
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Champs libero revisited version
1st match with my half regent half talent squad from the beginning of the game
RMA vs Malaga
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I watched the first half on comprehensive and the 2nd half on extended - match training set to teamwork - I had to change my near post flick on guy to a defender better than Dede as Maupay and Ongenda are not very good at headers.
I saw:
Huge dominance...
Beautiful play...
An extra passing option than usual due to the libero going forward positioning himself when on the ball behind the dominant train and right in front of the defence...
The libero breaks up play in front of the defence...
The dmc works really well too and help out alot with possession and the pressure - I use a complete midfielder called Guillaume who also got on the score sheet I think twice...
Many shots...
3 Goals from my SCL which was Ongenda...
An SCR that became an offensive passing station with his return runs in my case that was Maupay - he got on the scoresheet as well, but not as dangerous as the SCL - I'd say due to positioning - He did draw defenders out of position which I love...
This is a tactic that for sure rank among the best - Utilizing alot of the Frankenstein/Elhazel formation framework ofcause helps, but with a few new settings it maybe becomes as powerful if not a tiny bit more.
Can it be improved? - I wanted to give this tactic a fair chance on its own as Champion already have proven its success rate with 5.9 goals playing as Marseille. Later I will look at the settings, but it might be the settings for the SCR and nothing else. I'm a firm believer that Frankenstein strikers are perfect settings and will get you the most goals from both strikers - however I do understand the attraction having one striker occupying opponents defence while the other make return runs and interact alot more in the play.
(EDIT) - Nothing absolutely nothing needs to be changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The libero isn't dominant in view and in my opinion he shouldn't be as long as he keeps doing his thing I'm happy - The DMC really impressed me and as champion said you could retrain an amc to do the dmc work, ofcause any deep laying playmaker type will do good in this position.
All in all - I'm very hyped about this tactic and I applaud both Champion for thinking outside the box and Bwomper to inspire us all to come up with new stuff that sourrounds Frankenstein - its a really good job and I can't wait to see what happens next - actually this should make every football manager fan come back to fm13 and simply skip all future version of fm - FM is alive again good job!!!...
More results coming up...
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Cheers
1st match with my half regent half talent squad from the beginning of the game
RMA vs Malaga
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I watched the first half on comprehensive and the 2nd half on extended - match training set to teamwork - I had to change my near post flick on guy to a defender better than Dede as Maupay and Ongenda are not very good at headers.
I saw:
Huge dominance...
Beautiful play...
An extra passing option than usual due to the libero going forward positioning himself when on the ball behind the dominant train and right in front of the defence...
The libero breaks up play in front of the defence...
The dmc works really well too and help out alot with possession and the pressure - I use a complete midfielder called Guillaume who also got on the score sheet I think twice...
Many shots...
3 Goals from my SCL which was Ongenda...
An SCR that became an offensive passing station with his return runs in my case that was Maupay - he got on the scoresheet as well, but not as dangerous as the SCL - I'd say due to positioning - He did draw defenders out of position which I love...
This is a tactic that for sure rank among the best - Utilizing alot of the Frankenstein/Elhazel formation framework ofcause helps, but with a few new settings it maybe becomes as powerful if not a tiny bit more.
Can it be improved? - I wanted to give this tactic a fair chance on its own as Champion already have proven its success rate with 5.9 goals playing as Marseille. Later I will look at the settings, but it might be the settings for the SCR and nothing else. I'm a firm believer that Frankenstein strikers are perfect settings and will get you the most goals from both strikers - however I do understand the attraction having one striker occupying opponents defence while the other make return runs and interact alot more in the play.
(EDIT) - Nothing absolutely nothing needs to be changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The libero isn't dominant in view and in my opinion he shouldn't be as long as he keeps doing his thing I'm happy - The DMC really impressed me and as champion said you could retrain an amc to do the dmc work, ofcause any deep laying playmaker type will do good in this position.
All in all - I'm very hyped about this tactic and I applaud both Champion for thinking outside the box and Bwomper to inspire us all to come up with new stuff that sourrounds Frankenstein
- its a really good job and I can't wait to see what happens next - actually this should make every football manager fan come back to fm13 and simply skip all future version of fm - FM is alive again good job!!!...More results coming up...
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Thanks a lot Jes for you comments.
Morelli got around 100 goals. that's probably down to not playing in the french cup - there is a bug in the game so after every three year my team doesnt get drawn in the cup so I miss 6 games (otherwwise I realy think it would have been a flat 6 goals/game on average)
about the STCR as a false 9 - yeah you could change it to bwomper's original or the Pele role but I like him like this. he often drops deep so is a good intermediate outlet, he also scores a lot (Tobias Nielsen) - I would say easily a goal a game. And the way he opens up space is really nice to watch. I like the idea of pairing two different striker - a brute and a creative one.
yeah also like the idea of trying frankentien original/2nd visit with teamwork. one of the most noticeable difference was flicks and backheels that I rarely saw before.
Morelli got around 100 goals. that's probably down to not playing in the french cup - there is a bug in the game so after every three year my team doesnt get drawn in the cup so I miss 6 games (otherwwise I realy think it would have been a flat 6 goals/game on average)
about the STCR as a false 9 - yeah you could change it to bwomper's original or the Pele role but I like him like this. he often drops deep so is a good intermediate outlet, he also scores a lot (Tobias Nielsen) - I would say easily a goal a game. And the way he opens up space is really nice to watch. I like the idea of pairing two different striker - a brute and a creative one.
yeah also like the idea of trying frankentien original/2nd visit with teamwork. one of the most noticeable difference was flicks and backheels that I rarely saw before.
Good job champ! Im experimenting with that width and the pele role for the rigth striker and I have pretty similar results. This tactic is a ***** in attack with nothing more than 7 clear offensive spots! and in defense with the anticipation of the libero is very solid. Almost all my against goals came by free kicks or corners,but nothing important.
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SI Games owners,champ just break the game,get my money back lol again good job mate, play fm13 is fun yet because people like you,jes,ossis,and more.
especially people like you bwomper
- after all you introduced the Frankenstein and we just happened on some tweaks Is the spirit of the Frankenstein,make a tactic with different parts of others and make it run and scream "its alive!!" lol
Maybe I did the first move with this tactic but all the tweaks and new formations are Frankenstein,and thanks to this we can say its alive
Maybe I did the first move with this tactic but all the tweaks and new formations are Frankenstein,and thanks to this we can say its alive
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Is the spirit of the Frankenstein,make a tactic with different parts of others and make it run and scream "its alive!!" lol
Maybe I did the first move with this tactic but all the tweaks and new formations are Frankenstein,and thanks to this we can say its alive
Its an odd illogical shape the formation and very far away from what a real life manager would take into action - that's why its genius that you sticked to your decision on fully developing Frankenstein a redevelopment of Elhazel - that was truely thinking outside the box - you see the match engine developers hadn't taken a formation of this kind in to consideration - like a poker player that know his opponents cards
I think its a good idea to have the libero on a lesser mentality - I also like the scr coming deep to receive the ball - interact in play assisting the scl or the 2 wingers with goals scoring passes - its actually all good and very hard to critisize the new frankenstein version. Corrections if any could be small little details but they should be tiny as.
1 small but obvious tip from me would be to retrain an amc to striker for the scr position - so someone like Messi - Isco - James Rodriguez - Maupay - Totti - Neymar -Fierro - Mastour
On the scl I would go for someone that has a minimum of medium stenght 15+ quick and if he had flair thats a bonus but not a neccesity. I use Ongenda others could be - C.Ronaldo - Bale - Lewandowski - Lukaku - Benzema - Falcao - Cavani - Benteke - Some tall white guy playing for Westham
Anyway I will keep updating my results in the above post by making a new post saying update and referring to new result prove.
Cheers guys
Ps Will Hughes will do good as the DMC
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I think it depends on your team. If you have a crazy team full of amazing regens any of them will probably work. Does anyone know if the tactics work for 'underdog' teams?
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mr langvatan's tatics:
4141
442 triple tweak
451
you can use any of them for underdogs
you must try all the frankenstein tactics here, they all very impresive and high scoring..XD
Didn't play FM from long time, thought of trying it, but then I saw FM 13 still in my pc hiding somewhere lol, then came here looked for some tactics and I saw this is the most active topic about FM 13.
Well I gotta say nice tactic, tried with Chelsea and here are the results until jan.. if you are wondering how I signed those players, it's actually from top players free agent database.
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Well I gotta say nice tactic, tried with Chelsea and here are the results until jan.. if you are wondering how I signed those players, it's actually from top players free agent database.
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Guys its time for something new - back in the early 90's when football manager had a different name - Championship manager if I recall correctly - Crystal Palace was the very first team I was a manager for and now I am again.
Media prediction 18 - I'm gonna buy like a crazy oil person and no cheats. I can already say I got some of my favourite players but way to young for the highest level. I played the first 20 games with 4141 rock classic but I got bored and decided this needs to go Frankenstein 2nd visit all the way so the next 18 games I switched to Frankenstein which performed a little under 4141 rock classic, but thats ok I imagine with better players it will be fantastic - oh and ofcause my team gel were absolutely horrible for the whole season - so not good for any tactic at all!!!.
Mentionable names I bought - Ongenda - Maupay - Fierro - Helenius - Wellington Nem - Adel Taarabt - Dennis Praet -
Kylian Hazard - Mattheus - Ryan Donk - David Marshall - Nikola Kalinic (Sold him in January for 18m pounds)
This is how the 1st season ended:
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**** so close to a euro league qualification - oh well next season I expect bigger things - developing youngsters and adding more quality to the Crystal Palace squad - Leroy Fer (Dutch International) - Pedro Obiang (Coming Spanish International)
I am currently into debt which sucks so this season has to be successful - I bought most of my players on a 48 months installment and some I even will pay a huge sum after they reach 50 matches, but I won't have to if I sell them before that
That ofcause isn't the plan - that's the emergency escape route
I know the fm13 forum has been dead for a while so I thought to myself can this be kept alive? - so this is my crazy attempt to do that - I would like to hear your thoughts about this - if their is any players you can recommend for my small Crystal Palace team who I honestly believe I can take much further as soon as the squad starts to gel - also I would like you to try a smaller career to see what you could accomplish with those. Well first of all I just want you to come back to fm.
Miss you guys - and enjoy
Cheers
Guys its time for something new - back in the early 90's when football manager had a different name - Championship manager if I recall correctly - Crystal Palace was the very first team I was a manager for and now I am again.
Media prediction 18 - I'm gonna buy like a crazy oil person and no cheats. I can already say I got some of my favourite players but way to young for the highest level. I played the first 20 games with 4141 rock classic but I got bored and decided this needs to go Frankenstein 2nd visit all the way so the next 18 games I switched to Frankenstein which performed a little under 4141 rock classic, but thats ok I imagine with better players it will be fantastic - oh and ofcause my team gel were absolutely horrible for the whole season - so not good for any tactic at all!!!.
Mentionable names I bought - Ongenda - Maupay - Fierro - Helenius - Wellington Nem - Adel Taarabt - Dennis Praet -
Kylian Hazard - Mattheus - Ryan Donk - David Marshall - Nikola Kalinic (Sold him in January for 18m pounds)
This is how the 1st season ended:
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**** so close to a euro league qualification - oh well next season I expect bigger things - developing youngsters and adding more quality to the Crystal Palace squad - Leroy Fer (Dutch International) - Pedro Obiang (Coming Spanish International)
I am currently into debt which sucks so this season has to be successful - I bought most of my players on a 48 months installment and some I even will pay a huge sum after they reach 50 matches, but I won't have to if I sell them before that
That ofcause isn't the plan - that's the emergency escape route
I know the fm13 forum has been dead for a while so I thought to myself can this be kept alive? - so this is my crazy attempt to do that
- I would like to hear your thoughts about this - if their is any players you can recommend for my small Crystal Palace team who I honestly believe I can take much further as soon as the squad starts to gel - also I would like you to try a smaller career to see what you could accomplish with those. Well first of all I just want you to come back to fm.Miss you guys - and enjoy
Cheers
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Crystal Palace - Update 2 - 2nd season start
Lots of new signings and sales - a clear improvement - here's the squad on the premier day vs Liverpool
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I'm still active on the transfer market showing interest in these players
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Its not **** if I don't get this guy - far from my first choice, but definitely a decent choice
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If I can't get Dede - This guy Kara I feel is absolutely an amazing player, but he's gonna cost me about 20m pounds so I'm still reconsidering whether I should do it or not.
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Wilfried Bony - 18.25m pounds - 5.5m up front and the rest over 48 months - WOW!!!
Mandanda wasn't interested, but transfer listed - so I must wait a little while longer without a great goalkeeper. I have shown interested and flirted with alot of players including: M.Reus - Lacazette (To expensive 30m+) - Several Goalies.
If I get Bony He will be first choice and probably be sold future wise for double the price 35-45m pounds. I got Daniel Agger for 7m pounds and I will be able to sell him for about 10-12 m pounds in 4 seasons when he's 32 so I'm very happy with that deal. This is a definite step up for my team and I hope to achieve atleast a Euro league spot so atleast a 7th position at the end of 2nd season in the premier league.
Maupay - Ongenda - Fierro - Praet & Will Hughes is a definite in the future plan.
I hope you guys are well out their and hope to hear from you in the future
Cheers guys
Lots of new signings and sales - a clear improvement - here's the squad on the premier day vs Liverpool
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I'm still active on the transfer market showing interest in these players
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Its not **** if I don't get this guy - far from my first choice, but definitely a decent choice
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If I can't get Dede - This guy Kara I feel is absolutely an amazing player, but he's gonna cost me about 20m pounds so I'm still reconsidering whether I should do it or not.
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Wilfried Bony - 18.25m pounds - 5.5m up front and the rest over 48 months - WOW!!!
Mandanda wasn't interested, but transfer listed - so I must wait a little while longer without a great goalkeeper. I have shown interested and flirted with alot of players including: M.Reus - Lacazette (To expensive 30m+) - Several Goalies.
If I get Bony He will be first choice and probably be sold future wise for double the price 35-45m pounds. I got Daniel Agger for 7m pounds and I will be able to sell him for about 10-12 m pounds in 4 seasons when he's 32 so I'm very happy with that deal. This is a definite step up for my team and I hope to achieve atleast a Euro league spot so atleast a 7th position at the end of 2nd season in the premier league.
Maupay - Ongenda - Fierro - Praet & Will Hughes is a definite in the future plan.
I hope you guys are well out their and hope to hear from you in the future
Cheers guys
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Crystal Palace - Update 3 - League table after 19 matches & Finances DOH!!!!!
With a team cohesion that sucked big time untill now and actually still going on a bit I'm actually satisfied. Players developing well and are slowly shaping themselves for the big stage.
I started of with a very poor team blend and I'm almost in January and has just achieved Good team cohesion - the level under strong team cohesion. I strongly believe that my team can achieve a whole lot more with an extremely strong understanding so I'm looking forward to that.
Here's some screenshots on the current journey to success with my mini team.
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8th position - I exspect the last 19 games to go alot smoother than this - however surprising success in the capital one cup - after playing 3 premier league teams the last one being Manchester City we have now progressed to the Semi Finals playing League 1 team Crawley - what a lucky draw that is. This is definitely Crystal Palace's chance to get one step closer to playing in Europe next season and god knows they will need it. I'm dreading to show you the next image its a horror image that makes me a little nervous to be honest - My Finances
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Every month 3m Pounds is added to the debt due to the heavy buying on 48 months installment - I had to do it to create a squad that could be competitive enough and you know some of the players - they will grow to world class so success should be in the house future wise - well I hope it will be. This is however the reason why I love this different kind of journey because I pressure the life out of the finances and now my job will be to get it under control. A plan for that is in the works its close to the 29th of december and I will probably bid on alot of players and then loan them out next season to get 1st team football - then i will sell them for double their value. I imagine I will be 60 million down in 10 months so I hope I won't go down that far and rescue my club from bankrupcy or worst case get sacked.
Stay tuned and see what happens - Do you think Crystal Palace will survive the economic crisis they are currently in - like or comment on what you think of this crazy journey?
Have a great day guys - Cheers
Ps I don't know if I got to tell you 2nd seasons media prediction - its 9th place
With a team cohesion that sucked big time untill now and actually still going on a bit I'm actually satisfied. Players developing well and are slowly shaping themselves for the big stage.
I started of with a very poor team blend and I'm almost in January and has just achieved Good team cohesion - the level under strong team cohesion. I strongly believe that my team can achieve a whole lot more with an extremely strong understanding so I'm looking forward to that.
Here's some screenshots on the current journey to success with my mini team.
League table
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8th position - I exspect the last 19 games to go alot smoother than this - however surprising success in the capital one cup - after playing 3 premier league teams the last one being Manchester City we have now progressed to the Semi Finals playing League 1 team Crawley - what a lucky draw that is. This is definitely Crystal Palace's chance to get one step closer to playing in Europe next season and god knows they will need it. I'm dreading to show you the next image its a horror image that makes me a little nervous to be honest - My Finances
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Every month 3m Pounds is added to the debt due to the heavy buying on 48 months installment - I had to do it to create a squad that could be competitive enough and you know some of the players - they will grow to world class so success should be in the house future wise - well I hope it will be. This is however the reason why I love this different kind of journey because I pressure the life out of the finances and now my job will be to get it under control. A plan for that is in the works its close to the 29th of december and I will probably bid on alot of players and then loan them out next season to get 1st team football - then i will sell them for double their value. I imagine I will be 60 million down in 10 months so I hope I won't go down that far and rescue my club from bankrupcy or worst case get sacked.
Stay tuned and see what happens - Do you think Crystal Palace will survive the economic crisis they are currently in - like or comment on what you think of this crazy journey?
Have a great day guys - Cheers
Ps I don't know if I got to tell you 2nd seasons media prediction - its 9th place
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You used the same 3 tactic set up like me Jes but Why didn't you use Mr langvartn tactic in 1 or 2 seasons to get the better position in the league and then you can buy better player to suit the Frankenstein?