If Mourinho were a better manager he'd mold Granero or Canales into that role.
Real have noted their flaw with Xabi, and are poised to ****** Nuri Sahin from dortmund. They can play without ronaldo, but not without alonso
If Mourinho were a better manager he'd mold Granero or Canales into that role.
Granero and canales are too offensive, the latter is closer to iniesta than anything. Xabi, and surin are good ball interceptors, the other two are not
If Mourinho were a better manager he'd mold Granero or Canales into that role.
.. Or a better manager would use players to their own full personal capabilities maximising their attributes.
By sitting them on the bench? And going out and buying another player to fill a relatively similar role?
Point taken, but I think either could be trained to fill that role if given time. I mean, look at Wilshere. To me he's naturally an attacking mid, like either of those guys, yet Wenger is turned him into a more than competent defensive mid. It's just sad to see Madrid waste young talent like that and go out and buy other players instead of using what they have.
Lol. Are you implying Madrid have only done that under Mourinho? Please. They've always been the graveyard of talent. Why waste time and energy on developing players into the team when they seemingly have the resources to buy whoever they like to suit.
I didn't say it's just Mourinho that does this (as I said before, it is the mentality of RM), but he had all season, I think he could have trained either of those players into that role. It's not like Alonso is a good defensive player, and of course these guys would just be back-ups. By next season they could have been ready to step it up and fill in for him when he's not there, rather than go out and buy Sahin from Dortmund (who might not even adjust to the league, you never know). And by the season after they could be ready to get a lot of PT. I get it that that's how RM does things, but that's also what Jose has done throughout his career, and he'd go up a few points in my book if he told the club that they should take advantage of the young talent that they already bought rather than waste them and just go out and buy another player.
All I'm saying is that Wenger and SAF always make use of the young talent they have at their disposal and have shown they can make players fit a new role when needed. Another way in which they have proven themselves that Jose hasn't, which is why I rate them higher (at the moment). Maybe Jose will go out and prove me wrong, maybe he'll take over at Liverpool and build them into a great team, or something like that, though I doubt it.
We've all been over this a million times. RM had a goal called back, maybe Pepe's red was harsh, but Barca was clearly the better team over the two legs. RM had no possession, few chances, and couldn't even move the team out of their own half save for the beginning of the second half of the second leg. People are complaining about how Barca acted but only the delusional are claiming they didn't deserve to go through.
Of course Barca dove because of RM's tactics. When you respond to Barca's style by being extremely defensive and physical it rewards diving. If the game was open people wouldn't be diving because they wouldn't want to disrupt the flow of the game. RM's strategy was to disrupt Barca's fluidity as much as possible by being physical, closing them down, defending with 11 men. These are good tactics to beat Barca, although they sacrifice entertainment and pride in pursuit of the result. A good response to this unfortunately, in terms of getting the result at the price of sportsmanship, is to dive, win fouls, and get your opponent carded, which is what Barca did. In the second game RM was down and the actually had to attack, so it made the game much more open and better to watch. This meant that there was a lot less diving and bullshit. Of course Mascherano dove at the right time to get a goal called back, but the rest of the game was much better.
But you've already decided you hate Barca with all your soul so there's no point in reasoning with you.
And another thing on Wenger and SAF: Their jobs are some of the most secure in management. They can afford to experiment. When you have managers have an average employment time of 18 months - why would they take risks with youth players. They're judged by results, and results only. It's a major criticism of how modern football is, but it is how it is, and they simply cannot afford to be taking risks with youth. Perhaps chairmen should start realising that. Mourinho has been under pressure from just months into his job. Why would he take risks like moulding Granero into Alonso under no guarantee it'll work. He's not foolish.
I see where you're coming from with he hasn't built a team. But he has his own personal objectives, and they are achieved by being a true journeyman. He's an ego maniac, he'd much rather have his own legacy than being part of a clubs legacy, I believe. And who's to say he won't settle down at a club and build something great? He certainly has the intelligence for it, and he still has what, 20 years left in his career maybe? There's a reason Ferguson holds so much respect for the man. How many managers in the world would he openly admit to discussing tactics with?
Is Avram Grant a genius too? If winning with teams you're supposed to win with makes you a genius, than there are a lot of geniuses out there.
As far as your remarks about Wenger, what a load of horseshit, you're probably 10 years old and don't remember the 90's and 00's when he actually had a decent-sized budget. I bet you think Moyes is a terrible manager too, because he doesn't win any trophies, right?
How are Canales and Granero supposed to be playing consistently when they have the likes of Ozil and Kaka ahead of them. What's he supposed to do, play a weakened team every week so he can say he develops youth. And has Jose not created a youthful side this season, anyway? The average age of his signings this year is just under 25, and that's with Carvalho boosting it considerably.
And you say Wenger and SAF make players fit a new role when needed. Pepe in CDM?
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And another thing on Wenger and SAF: Their jobs are some of the most secure in management. They can afford to experiment. When you have managers have an average employment time of 18 months - why would they take risks with youth players. They're judged by results, and results only. It's a major criticism of how modern football is, but it is how it is, and they simply cannot afford to be taking risks with youth. Perhaps chairmen should start realising that. Mourinho has been under pressure from just months into his job. Why would he take risks like moulding Granero into Alonso under no guarantee it'll work. He's not foolish.
I see where you're coming from with he hasn't built a team. But he has his own personal objectives, and they are achieved by being a true journeyman. He's an ego maniac, he'd much rather have his own legacy than being part of a clubs legacy, I believe. And who's to say he won't settle down at a club and build something great? He certainly has the intelligence for it, and he still has what, 20 years left in his career maybe? There's a reason Ferguson holds so much respect for the man. How many managers in the world would he openly admit to discussing tactics with?
More possession means not the better team always..
Boded part. ROFLMAO.. You want everyone to bend over to Barca dont you.. Typical mentality..
Defend with 11 men, then result is roll on the floor, play act, hound the ref, cheat and win. If they are historical team as you love to hype them,then they should win fairly without cheating even if the opposition parks the bus..
It is very simple. You are extremely biased and more than any cule in the Barca forum. There is no point in even arguing as you love Diving and play acting and even if Barca player Fart then its a mistake of Madrid player for breathing near them.. Jeez..
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Nailed it.
Couldn't agree more with the bolded part. Jose is a genius. The man is hated for his arrogance but as a Manager he is the second best manager now..
And also Jose said he would like to build his won dynasty, maybe once he completes his job with Madrid he might comeback to Premier league and settle in a club for a long time to build his own legacy there..
Oh yeah, Inter and especially Porto were always the favourites to win the champions league
Give me a break
As for Wenger - I remember perfectly well the so-called invincibles (and the times before that) with Henry, Vieira, Bergcamp and all the others
That was a good team and it was great to watch the title duels between that Arsenal and Man Utd
But then the guy had a breakdown or something and decided he wants to get rid of all his good players and sign kids and cripples in their place
You have to be completely and utterly mad to replace Henry with Bendtner, to exchange Ashley Cole with William Gallasand make all the other idiotic decisions that Wenger made
Oh and enough with the budget excuse - Arsenal are not a poor club and the budget has nothing to do with Wenger's idiotic transfer policy
Football is all about titles, Wenger doesn't win titles, i like him too. But wenger doesn't win titles, and the reason why many people voted jose is because the worship SAF, SAF is without a doubt, the best british manager of all time, but time will prove, that Mourinho is and will be, the best of all time.
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Oh, and I was supposed to quote curtis! Sorry bout that.
Fail poll is fail. They're all interchangeable. They are all among the best managers in recent history.
The voters seem to disagree, although it's amazing that everyone rates Mourinho over Hiddink and Wenger. Judging a manager by his trophies is a really overly simplistic way to measure his worth.
...yet in the sentence after the bolded part I said those are good tactics for beating Barca. If you play like that you turn the game into a crappy game full of diving and complaining since it's not fluid. Very common sense.
Calling me biased is rich coming from you since you're the most biased person I've ever seen on the internet. You take your hatred of Barca to a whole new level, and you're not even a Real Madrid or Espanyol fan. It's bizarre and borderline crazy.
I never said I liked diving which you've claimed twice now because you're an ignorant troll that twists everything other posters say. To complain like you do about Barca's antics and act like Real Madrid are a bunch of saints (and Di Maria was the biggest complainer in that game by far) is hypocritical even by your standards.
As for Jose, the trophies argument is tiresome and we've heard it a million times.
Call everyone who supports ignorant. What you fail to do is Mirror check.
You are ignorant if you think Jose is not in Top 3 managers.
And you heaped praises on Mascha for that dive. That itself shows how much you encourage diving.
I haven't defended Madrid or their antics. How does that make Barca any less shambolic? Pedro, Biscuits, Alves are class of their own. Then comes the bithcy player who hound ref for everything.
Madrid players (only few) dives, but no where near same level as Barca.
And yes Trophies makes Manager the best. Thats why clubs spends so much money.To win silverware.
And you are an ignorant for pointing out that Jose didnt develop young players. Did you even know in which clubs he worked? They needed instant success. How is it his fault. Club expected only silverware and he produced it.
On the poll i didnt take Hiddink into count because he is purely an international manager but the other 3 are club managers. Out of the 3 club managers then it goes Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger in that order.