JP Woody's Conte style 3-5-2 (13.3.2)

[nosh64]

Wasn't questioning you mate just wanted to let people know the training I used which seems to be working!

Also my save proves it works with lower league teams! Another bonus!

 

[szymonescu]

Firstly I'd like to say I'm die-hard Juve follower for almost 20 years. Onto the topic:

Sorry mate if I will offend you but apart from using 3 defenders 5 midfield players and 2 attackers this is nothing like Conte's tactic. You wrote in one post that you can't always reproduce real life tactics to FM, sure I agree, but if they are just same template and mostly nothing else, you can't say it's being based on anyone's tactic, just on a generic template. This is just using his name to advertise this tactic, which I'm not judging its performance. Since Conte took over Juve, I searched for it but there weren't any good tactics based on his 3-5-2 neither for FM 12 nor 13 and still any public ones aren't.

I don't want this post to be picked up as an offense to anyone, apologies if it does, English isn't my mother tongue.

 

[MJJC]

Today I decided to buy FM13 after playing the FM series game since FM08 and have found it difficult to create a tactic with consistent results so decided to try your tactic out. What I have noticed (like you said JP) is to play with wingers with defensive qualities you concede a lot less as the seem to stick with the opposition wingers. Overall, in my short time playing with this tactic I have found it affective with better results with a winger that has rb or lb as one of their other positions. Great work JP keep it up! P.S. if you're in the championship and are looking for a right winger for this tactic try Expósito of Alcorcón playing well for me and defensive minded!

 

[regmant]

another season done in my Reading save - won fa cup for 3rd time in a row, prem 2nd time in row, stuffed barca (6:0?!) in super cup and lost narrowly to Juve in champs league semis. Awesomeness.

 

[JP Woody]

Firstly I'd like to say I'm die-hard Juve follower for almost 20 years. Onto the topic:

Sorry mate if I will offend you but apart from using 3 defenders 5 midfield players and 2 attackers this is nothing like Conte's tactic. You wrote in one post that you can't always reproduce real life tactics to FM, sure I agree, but if they are just same template and mostly nothing else, you can't say it's being based on anyone's tactic, just on a generic template. This is just using his name to advertise this tactic, which I'm not judging its performance. Since Conte took over Juve, I searched for it but there weren't any good tactics based on his 3-5-2 neither for FM 12 nor 13 and still any public ones aren't.

I don't want this post to be picked up as an offense to anyone, apologies if it does, English isn't my mother tongue.

I only used Conte's name to advertise the tactic? Lol ok if you say so.

 

[szymonescu]

I only used Conte's name to advertise the tactic? Lol ok if you say so.

If you didn't, why the only thing that this tactic has in common is the 3-5-2 template?

Conte uses one creative defender instead of three, two wing backs instead of wide mids, a deep laying playmaker, two b2b midfielders, a deep laying forward and depending on who is playing, advanced forward, kinda target man or another creative forward. This is just the formation issue, from looking at your sliders, they are off too, pressing being one example, where you have it at default and Conte wants his team to press all the time.

Again, I'm not saying this tactic sucks or anything, I'm just saying it isn't based on Conte's style of play, just a tweaked generic 3-5-2

 

[JP Woody]

If you didn't, why the only thing that this tactic has in common is the 3-5-2 template?

Conte uses one creative defender instead of three, two wing backs instead of wide mids, a deep laying playmaker, two b2b midfielders, a deep laying forward and depending on who is playing, advanced forward, kinda target man or another creative forward. This is just the formation issue, from looking at your sliders, they are off too, pressing being one example, where you have it at default and Conte wants his team to press all the time.

Again, I'm not saying this tactic sucks or anything, I'm just saying it isn't based on Conte's style of play, just a tweaked generic 3-5-2

And how does using Conte's name to advertise the tactic benefit me exactly?

 

[szymonescu]

And how does using Conte's name to advertise the tactic benefit me exactly?

Why do you hold on to that one bit?

Since Conte took over, I bet many Juve fans out there playing FM 12 and now 13, me included, were looking for a 3-5-2 of his but there wasn't any and I for one check up each hint of such tactics and this one is misleading. In real life it's called misadvertising.

 

[JP Woody]

Why do you hold on to that one bit?

Since Conte took over, I bet many Juve fans out there playing FM 12 and now 13, me included, were looking for a 3-5-2 of his but there wasn't any and I for one check up each hint of such tactics and this one is misleading. In real life it's called misadvertising.

Well if they're all experts on how Juve play like you are they'll have no problems creating a Juve tactic and therefore wont need to search for one. As for misadvertising, you talk like I get paid or something for releasing tactics. No I get nothing out of it. It's simply my interpretation on how Juventus play, if you don't agree with that then that's your opinion. You're free to release your own Conte tactic.

 

[szymonescu]

Well if they're all experts on how Juve play like you are they'll have no problems creating a Juve tactic and therefore wont need to search for one. As for misadvertising, you talk like I get paid or something for realising tactics. No I get nothing out of it. It's simply my interpretation on how Juventus play, if you don't agree with that then that's your opinion. You're free to release your own Conte tactic.

To reply to your not-so-nice first sentence, I was too lazy to make my own tactic, I can't speak for others, hence why I was looking for one. But since there wasn't one, I eventually decided to make my own and I'm doing great after 1,5 season but I doubt I'll ever release it as I can't be arsed to write all the stuff about it as pretty as you or other known releasers do.

I know you don't get paid for it, hence me writing "in real life". I used some of your tactics in previous FM's and that's why I checked up on this thread.

 

[yltan]

People out there having using this tactic successfully with Juve, how do you make it work? Little help here.

 

[nickc1994]

Woody, What would you say is the most important position to have the right player in? (If that makes sense)

 

[Qonny]

No matter how many different tactics i try out, yours are the ones i keep coming back to, woody! Great job as always!
What i've found out with this latest one though, is that it works even better (for me atleast) if you change passing to direct. In my opinion, this utilizes the players roles in a better way.

 

[drhay53]

I've made a few slight changes to not be so wasteful with possession. I lowered the BPD through balls all to "sometimes". I lowered the wingers crossing to "sometimes" (although if you have a Crouch-type target man you can probably leave it at often), and I increased the poacher's through balls to "sometimes" so he has an outlet if he's about to get tackled and the target man is running from deep.

This isn't designed to increase possession, just to not be so wasteful. Sometimes I would go through a whole game where the only attempted attack my team would do would be to bomb the ball forward from defense. I want that to be an option, but not quite so favored, especially against teams who play deep. I think this was the reason the tactic would sometimes go several games with almost no chances created.

 

[brommers92]

After a promising start, the wingers in this tactic have become f*****g useless

 

[nickc1994]

I've made a few slight changes to not be so wasteful with possession. I lowered the BPD through balls all to "sometimes". I lowered the wingers crossing to "sometimes" (although if you have a Crouch-type target man you can probably leave it at often), and I increased the poacher's through balls to "sometimes" so he has an outlet if he's about to get tackled and the target man is running from deep.

This isn't designed to increase possession, just to not be so wasteful. Sometimes I would go through a whole game where the only attempted attack my team would do would be to bomb the ball forward from defense. I want that to be an option, but not quite so favored, especially against teams who play deep. I think this was the reason the tactic would sometimes go several games with almost no chances created.

I've just changed the poacher to what you said, hopefully it will do better to regarding going forward.

 

[drhay53]

One thing this tactic seems to do very well is release one of the CM's into a ton of space near the center line. If you have a very creative and technical midfielder with a good true poacher, you'll get alot of goals from over the top passes from near midfield.

I forgot to mention I also lowered the CM_Attack and Poacher's tackling from hard to normal. Those players should not really be tackling hard.

Hard tackling + excessive injuries + dedicated goalscorer = BAD.

 

[drhay53]

Woody, What would you say is the most important position to have the right player in? (If that makes sense)

I've played a few seasons with the tactic and have an opinion. Might be different from Woody's but I'll share it anyway.

1) Central defenders. They should be good in the air, and fast. They also need to be able to see and complete a pass, so creativity and passing are needed. This is a demanding set of criteria for a central defender.

2) Target man. Quite simply, he has to be able to win the ball and do something smart with it. He also needs to be able to score. My target man has led my team in goals for the past 2 seasons.

3) Poacher. He's a specialist and his job is to stretch the defense and score.

4) CM - attack. This guy will probably have most of your key passes and so it's very important that he's good at it. He also needs to be able to score and defend every now and then. One of the more demanding roles of any player on the team.

That's just my opinion. The DLP will be fine as long as he is smart. I've played a non-creative player there who makes good decisions and it's usually his pass that gets a player into space and leads to the "real" key pass. In fact my 2nd option, who is more of a DM than a DLP, is 2nd in the EPL in completion percentage.

All players are important, obviously, but if you're looking for the fastest way to improve results, those are the players I would focus on first.

 

[laziokees]

Works really good! Playing with Vitesse in Holland, become 2nd first season and won the Dutch cup. Knocked out in Europe League 2nd round after group stage by (later winner) Shaktar.

2nd season heavn't lost a competition game yet (already had Feyenoord 0-0 and twente 0-2 Away)!!!

Placed for group stage by beating Club Brugge and Valencia!!
In group with Dortmund, Man City and AC Milan.....

 

[cakey]

Just wondering, would it make much a differance if I changed the CM(A) to Advance playmaker (A)