Post Your Frustations Thread

[MisterBurkes]

I think that's a bit harsh. There were flaws, yes. He was just frustrated. That's what this thread is for! He's willing to learn, so give him some slack. We've all been there before.

Most people have a bad season and proceed to read up on tactics and do better next season ... without reloading 20 times and then complaining on forums how the game is "scripted" to cause him to lose the match. Necroing a thread that talks about 14.1.4 ME was a wonderful move as well.

This thread used to be pretty funny to skim through, now it's derailed into how FM14 ME is not worth paying for even though these whiny players have easily spent hundreds of hours playing it.

 

[miguelalves]

Sure, but is the AI actually running after the ball or are they only defending once you're deep into their half?

Well, the AI players don't just stand still in their positions like training cones, like "we'll just sit here and have some coffee while these guys are passing the ball around" mainly when they were already loosing.

 

[MisterBurkes]

Well, the AI players don't just stand still in their positions like training cones, like "we'll just sit here and have some coffee while these guys are passing the ball around" mainly when they were already loosing.

Just take a screenshot of distance traveled...

 

[miguelalves]

Just take a screenshot of distance traveled...

Don't have it. I've mentioned that is common complain from people that play a possession-based style and that the arguments presented to justify it have no sense at all. Even considering the distance traveled, if you have the ball you run less, it's the ball that is moved around.

 

[Mike.]

Don't have it. I've mentioned that is common complain from people that play a possession-based style and that the arguments presented to justify it have no sense at all. Even considering the distance traveled, if you have the ball you run less, it's the ball that is moved around.

Not quite true, it depends on what you are doing with the ball, and what they are doing in defence. If you are playing a running dribbling game against a static defence, you will cover more ground. If you are paying a Pep style move the ball round and they end up chasing, they will cover more ground.

 

[miguelalves]

Not quite true, it depends on what you are doing with the ball, and what they are doing in defence. If you are playing a running dribbling game against a static defence, you will cover more ground. If you are paying a Pep style move the ball round and they end up chasing, they will cover more ground.

70% or a little more / less almost all matches is one of two styles (at least the more recent): either Pep or Pereira from last two seasons with FC Porto. So, the ball is moved around a lot making the opponent to chase the ball, which obviously leads to the opponent being a lot more outweared than our team. This is why it doesn't make sense these weak teams having the ability to react in the last 20 minutes of the match, neither they would have the physical capacity, neither the mentality strenght. So, the arguments that were presented from those moderators are just nonsense.

 

[pipodeclown]

I just lost my title and cup final as schalke due to 2 matches were i dominate and fail to score...

 

[Mike.]

70% or a little more / less almost all matches is one of two styles (at least the more recent): either Pep or Pereira from last two seasons with FC Porto. So, the ball is moved around a lot making the opponent to chase the ball, which obviously leads to the opponent being a lot more outweared than our team. This is why it doesn't make sense these weak teams having the ability to react in the last 20 minutes of the match, neither they would have the physical capacity, neither the mentality strenght. So, the arguments that were presented from those moderators are just nonsense.

Except teams have been able to react back in real life vs Barca late on. It doesn't make it impossible, just harder.

 

[kitchin75]

I just lost my title and cup final as schalke due to 2 matches were i dominate and fail to score...

that happens too irl look at west ham v man u man u had to win to win the league where all over them could not score and lost the league **** happens

 

[miguelalves]

Except teams have been able to react back in real life vs Barca late on. It doesn't make it impossible, just harder.

As you might imagine the current Barca does not play like they used to with Pep and Vilanova, neither does FC Porto play like the previous two seasons. I'm talking about a specific style of play presented by two teams in a specific time frame that people tend to replicate in FM. Calling this Barca to the question is completely out of range.

 

[Mike.]

As you might imagine the current Barca does not play like they used to with Pep and Vilanova, neither does FC Porto play like the previous two seasons. I'm talking about a specific style of play presented by two teams in a specific time frame that people tend to replicate in FM. Calling this Barca to the question is completely out of range.

And teams did occasionally strike back at Pep. Pep however was far more dynamic than people who often emulate him realise. To put Pep in to FM terms he would have a set original playing style (4-3-3 or 3-4-3), but he would have used the shouts a lot. He was a massive tinkerer, thats what kept teams from getting back into games against him.

 

[miguelalves]

And teams did occasionally strike back at Pep. Pep however was far more dynamic than people who often emulate him realise. To put Pep in to FM terms he would have a set original playing style (4-3-3 or 3-4-3), but he would have used the shouts a lot. He was a massive tinkerer, thats what kept teams from getting back into games against him.

That also, massive tinkerer, but even if occasionaly some team or another would have the ability to strike back, they weren't Levante or Ossassuna. The case I mentioned was about these kind of teams having this ability to strike back after one hour or more chasing the ball. Simply not real.

 

[Mike.]

That also, massive tinkerer, but even if occasionaly some team or another would have the ability to strike back, they weren't Levante or Ossassuna. The case I mentioned was about these kind of teams having this ability to strike back after one hour or more chasing the ball. Simply not real.

Actually Osasuna, Gijon, Levante, Santander, Getafe have taken draws against them over the Pep years, Hercules, Getafe, Osasuna and Numancia (who are now relegated) beat them in that time too, thats just the ones I remember. I've only gone with what I would consider the "small" teams at the time.

 

[miguelalves]

Actually Osasuna, Gijon, Levante, Santander, Getafe have taken draws against them over the Pep years, Hercules, Getafe, Osasuna and Numancia (who are now relegated) beat them in that time too, thats just the ones I remember. I've only gone with what I would consider the "small" teams at the time.

Having draws is one thing, having to deal with the physical stress due to a constant chasing of the ball and for the last 20 minutes of a match being able to come further forward and make a strong pressing is a completly different thing.

 

[AayushCFC]

"Surely second half can only get better?"

Yes it can only ******* get better after hitting woodwork THRICE in first half of relegation battle 6 pointer at crucial stage and two goals ruled out for offside. 2nd half of course included two, both against me, one was saved. And hit woodwork wasn't from crosses, Long shots and woodwork are a couple made in heaven but my players hit woodwork from about 4 yards away, in an open goal, TWICE.

 

[MisterBurkes]

GG! CF on support duty with no individual instruction can actually pass across goal when paired with F9!

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[AayushCFC]

GG! CF on support duty with no individual instruction can actually pass across goal when paired with F9!

I actually play CF on support duty as lone forward with "move into channels" instruction. Scores and assists, plays very unselfishly even though his team work is 9.

 

[pipodeclown]

that happens too irl look at west ham v man u man u had to win to win the league where all over them could not score and lost the league **** happens

Yeah it made me crazy but in the end i still became 2nd... As Schalke first season it's not bad, made the club healthy in 1 season by staying 200k under wage and not buying a single player. Fun fact, Ajax won CL first season, ai controlled 0.0

 

[miguelalves]

This is not a critic, it's a serious doubt that I would like some clarification. What happened to the slow build-up instruction ? And by slow build-up I don't mean players holding the ball into their feet. The way I see it, the more attacking the strategy the more things are rush from the players: they hold a lot less the ball into their feet, circulate the ball faster but sadly they risk a lot more in every action. So, there is no slow build-up here. Then, we have tempo, that means the lower the tempo, more will players hold the ball into their feet. Holding the ball and a slow build-up moving the ball around are to very distinctive things, so I guess nothing here either.

Any enlightment would be appreciated.

 

[Mike.]

This is not a critic, it's a serious doubt that I would like some clarification. What happened to the slow build-up instruction ? And by slow build-up I don't mean players holding the ball into their feet. The way I see it, the more attacking the strategy the more things are rush from the players: they hold a lot less the ball into their feet, circulate the ball faster but sadly they risk a lot more in every action. So, there is no slow build-up here. Then, we have tempo, that means the lower the tempo, more will players hold the ball into their feet. Holding the ball and a slow build-up moving the ball around are to very distinctive things, so I guess nothing here either.

Any enlightment would be appreciated.

Lowering the tempo is a slow build up, that's exactly what it does.