Post Your Frustations Thread

[basnandez]

HELP ANYONE!
Well in this FM14 when my scout have finished his scouting assignment and then shows up in my inbox then theres this option ''Add to shortlist'' which i then click on and then i go view my shortlist to see if they actually are added but they arent... What am i doing wrong? In FM13 i was doing the same but they were actually added.

 

[clarkaldo]

That's your problem right there. Stoke away will be VERY defensive if you're a very good team. Playing very direct will just play right into their hands as they'll sit back and intercept these passes all day.

What you're trying to do, is pick a lock with a hammer. It can work, but you need to have a VERY good tactic and players that are really up for it. The better (imo) way is to be a little more patient with lots of movement between the lines to pull their defence apart.

I know what you are saying but you are incorrect I'm afraid. Do the test yourself. Try to play identical games over and over again and see the difference in results. They are totally random. That's my point. If I played that Ipswich v Stoke game 20 times with the same teams and same tactics I guarantee the results would show no pattern what so ever, whether you are tactically spot on or not. Results are random.

 

[Strolla]

Sigh... just tested that theory, Newcastle (2018/2019) vs Arsenal, final game of the season, neither team had anything left to play for. Won 17, drew 2, lost one. It is actually tactics. It's not just completely random. And yeah, there will be a freak game sometimes, the one I lost I lost 6-0. But that happens in football. Sometimes, strikers have poor games, sometimes they're really clinical. And yeah, there will be differences in results doing that game over and over again. Frankly, if you'd rather a pre-determined game, then we'll never agree. But try not looking at the scoreline, try looking at the stats instead (if you must repeat the game). The team average is probably going to be fairly consistent. If these freak results seem to be happening to you to often to be true, there probably is something wrong. But it's definitely not the game.

Now, onto a less "the match engine is broken" frustration. Paul Pogba, for all of his brilliance, why the **** does he keep on shooting from everywhere?! Just played in the Champions League final, had 12 long shots. 11 of those were his, one was a free kick. He scored (gasp) 0.

 

[rocheyb]

Since 14.3.1, my players seem to have developed 50p Head Syndrome: they head the ball from four yards out, directly in front of goal, and the fans behind the corner flags have to run for cover!

 

[Mike.]

I know what you are saying but you are incorrect I'm afraid. Do the test yourself. Try to play identical games over and over again and see the difference in results. They are totally random. That's my point. If I played that Ipswich v Stoke game 20 times with the same teams and same tactics I guarantee the results would show no pattern what so ever, whether you are tactically spot on or not. Results are random.

Results arent random, thats why people get consistent success.

 

[Srattu]

I only bought FM14 a day ago coz it only cost me ?11.90 the only thing I have to say so far is that my team are asking about underachieving at the club. I'm playing as Hull and atm its January and am sitting 8th with a record of 9-4-8 and a +4 G/D. I was predicted to be relegated at the start of the season and have only bought 1 CD. So, whats the players problem???? I've had a few media pop ups telling me former players/managers are concerned about underachieving too, when I think we're actually overachieving. Has anyone else had this?

 

[TonyVilliers]

Dominic Evans is unlikely to be called up to the USA team as he has not played enough games for Swansea.

Dominic Evans has played 35 games this season....

Srsly, that's not enough games?

 

[Mike.]

Dominic Evans is unlikely to be called up to the USA team as he has not played enough games for Swansea.

Dominic Evans has played 35 games this season....

Srsly, that's not enough games?

Yeah that's pretty wrong on first glance. Cant say I play much int football, but that's of surely

 

[TonyVilliers]

Just lost the ECL final, having been 1-0 up, then 1-1, then this **** happens. Nahhhh all's fine with this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iQPDzLag1c

 

[ArmaniGUnit]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw1rqMlPY7M" target="_blank">[video=youtube;bw1rqMlPY7M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw1rqMlPY7M[/video]
This fella' sums it up.

 

[rocheyb]

I know what you are saying but you are incorrect I'm afraid. Do the test yourself. Try to play identical games over and over again and see the difference in results. They are totally random. That's my point. If I played that Ipswich v Stoke game 20 times with the same teams and same tactics I guarantee the results would show no pattern what so ever, whether you are tactically spot on or not. Results are random.

If you think that results are random, how do you explain that some people are consistently winning trophies in their games? We're using the same software as you.

In your earlier post, you listed all of the various factors that you thought contributed to being successful in previous versions of this game. I maintain they are all still valid in FM14 and I constantly attend to each of them within my game. What you said about confidence was also true to some extent, but I disagree that confidence is more relevant than tactics - at least in the professional game, anyway. I use the Private Chat function to get the players' confidence up and maintain it for as long as possible, because it is definitely an important factor in how well they execute your instructions, but don't discount the opposition.

You should assume that they are scouting you, too - that they watched your match against Liverpool and devised their tactics to counteract what they saw. In my game, Ryan Shawcross's presence in their defence made my usual 4-4-1-1 high crossing and set piece tactic fairly useless, but he's not so good when I switch to 5-3-2 with two up top and an AP just behind them, making him defend the channels on the ground, instead. They have their own confidence levels and ways of manipulating them, too.

Do you, perhaps, have a young squad whose current ability is much less than their scouted potential? Perhaps they aren't as a good as they sometimes look on paper. Are you being patient enough with them, both in terms of their development and in regard to learning your three sets of tactics? Are they well-suited to their positions and the individual player instructions that you give them? If you tell a central midfielder to switch the play, for example, then it's best that he has that attribute listed within his profile.

 

[rocheyb]

On the great CCC count debate:

Ignore it. Instead, watch the matches in the Comprehensive view and gauge how and where your attacks are failing:

- Aerially strong centre-backs will head many of your high crosses away; so drilled crosses or tactics that concentrate play on the ground, through the channels, presents them with a different kind of problem.
- Wonky long-range shooting is counteracted by telling your team to Retain possession; Work ball into box.
- The two High/Higher tempo options encourage one-and-two touch football that pulls defenders out of position and should bring sharper, more incisive movement from your attacking players.
- Central midfield players who can Hit direct passes; Switch to opposite flank will recognise when going down one side isn't working and play into the space.
- Teams that defend deep while you dominate possession can sometimes be drawn out by playing deeper yourself, although I tend to persevere with control/balanced or attacking/fluid instructions - which works most of the time and one goal can often open the floodgates if they try to respond with a more adventurous style of their own.
- Pay attention to that aspect of the opposition scouting report that tells you during which periods of the match they are most prone to conceding and scoring goals; attack them when they are weakest.
- Keep the opposition's formation on-screen at all times, so you can see when they have switched and you need to adjust your Opposition player instructions.

 

[TonyVilliers]

On the great CCC count debate:

Ignore it. Instead, watch the matches in the Comprehensive view and gauge how and where your attacks are failing:

- Aerially strong centre-backs will head many of your high crosses away; so drilled crosses or tactics that concentrate play on the ground, through the channels, presents them with a different kind of problem.
- Wonky long-range shooting is counteracted by telling your team to Retain possession; Work ball into box.
- The two High/Higher tempo options encourage one-and-two touch football that pulls defenders out of position and should bring sharper, more incisive movement from your attacking players.
- Central midfield players who can Hit direct passes; Switch to opposite flank will recognise when going down one side isn't working and play into the space.
- Teams that defend deep while you dominate possession can sometimes be drawn out by playing deeper yourself, although I tend to persevere with control/balanced or attacking/fluid instructions - which works most of the time and one goal can often open the floodgates if they try to respond with a more adventurous style of their own.
- Pay attention to that aspect of the opposition scouting report that tells you during which periods of the match they are most prone to conceding and scoring goals; attack them when they are weakest.
- Keep the opposition's formation on-screen at all times, so you can see when they have switched and you need to adjust your Opposition player instructions.

All of this is lovely. However, as I've said before, it is the fact that the AI scores with much fewer chances, CCC or not. Sometimes they score with no CCC and only 1 shot, which is on target. This, in a game where the player has 24 shots, 8 on target, 4 CCCs and doesn't score is where the frustration lies.

One can talk tactics as much as one wants, but ultimately the strikers can't convert chances. Even Aguero misses point blank chances more than 3 times a match for me.

 

[WJ]

The fact is, if the AI can do it, so can you.

 

[AayushCFC]

All of this is lovely. However, as I've said before, it is the fact that the AI scores with much fewer chances, CCC or not. Sometimes they score with no CCC and only 1 shot, which is on target. This, in a game where the player has 24 shots, 8 on target, 4 CCCs and doesn't score is where the frustration lies.

One can talk tactics as much as one wants, but ultimately the strikers can't convert chances. Even Aguero misses point blank chances more than 3 times a match for me.

When you watch highlights on "Key", you'll see how vague CCCs are. Sometimes it's not even half chance but the game labels it a CCC, sometimes a chance following a quick counter, crossed from wide and your striker heads into goal isn't even marked as CCC or Half Chance.

I often pointed out how little no. of shots matter but quality does, as a team playing on counter faces less problems with defence and more running, when you play as an underdog, you know how lethal a team can be on counter.

When you dominate, you rack up numbers but the opposition defends deep and allows little space, resulting in poor quality of shots and chances, playing on the break has been frighteningly efficient in game AND in real life.

I was playing the role of a jackass few pages back, posting real life examples of problems and conspiracies people highlight in this game. Granada's win over Barcelona, check the stats for yourself. Barcelona had Messi playing for them so even "WC striker bottling chances" is valid.

 

[kanubes]

New 14.3 frustation.

Set your Full Backs to "Cross more often" - " Cross aim far post "

Congratu-*******-lations, you just scored an amazing ******* goal.

You're welcome.

 

[LiamOT]

I know this isn't the case, but this game can feel against you sometimes..

I'm Colchester, just been promoted to the Premier League.

Playing Man City..

They went 1 - 0 up.. Thoroughly deserved.
I equalised through the infamous lucky cross turned shot.. 1 - 1, Not deserved.
They regained the lead again.. 2 - 1. Thoroughly deserved, great goal. They are City after all.

At this moment, I actually tried to analyse the game. I started to notice one of the problems leading to their dominance. I was playing a DM Triangle (Anchor - DLP, AP). Whenever my tip of the triangle would receive the ball, he was swamped and isolated. A simple tactical switch of inverting the triangle making to players occupy the MC position (AP and DLP) saw me actually start to dominate City and their super star players.

This was rewarded with a well worked counter, 2 - 2. Thoroughly deserved.

Half time.

It continued in the same vein, but of course City did start to get into the game again. But it wasn't City Highlight after Highlight at all. I was very much in this game. We both hit the woodwork in the second half.

Then I decided to make a change as I was wary of Bernando Silva's yellow, so I took him off for a similar mould player, Joao Carlos Texeira. Gave him the sweetener team talk, and he reacted positively, something about encouraging feedback.

3 mins on the pitch, he got sent off.

Words can't describe how angry I was. I felt that I got this game tactically right. A team like mine isn't strong enough to consistently soak up pressure. I really did feel I got it spot on. City on my save concede most of their goals down the wings according to my Scout Report, I tried to play to that.

On football manager, I've always been **** when it comes to playing against or with 10 men.. I just can't seem to do it. I can dominate teams with 11 men, but not 10.

And when I have 10, I can't do anything about the inevitable no matter what I do.

Of course they over powered me now with there abundance of talent (special shoutout to Kovacic, absolute ran the game).

Full time: 2 - 4.

Annoyed is not the word.

 

[rocheyb]

All of this is lovely. However, as I've said before, it is the fact that the AI scores with much fewer chances, CCC or not. Sometimes they score with no CCC and only 1 shot, which is on target. This, in a game where the player has 24 shots, 8 on target, 4 CCCs and doesn't score is where the frustration lies.

One can talk tactics as much as one wants, but ultimately the strikers can't convert chances. Even Aguero misses point blank chances more than 3 times a match for me.

I came away from an argument with Mike the Moderator much earlier on this thread with the distinct impression that FM14's definition of a CCC is way off-the-mark. That's something for them to look at, perhaps, but in the meantime my advice is to ignore the CCC count.

In regard to the opposition, I put it to you that they are actually creating Very Clear Cut Chances (or VCCC) because they are hitting you on the counter attack, when your defenders are quite high up the pitch as a result of your team's dominance of possession and territorial advance. That was what was happening to me when I was making similar complaints to yours.

You say strikers can't convert chances. I have three main strikers in my rotation, here are their all-competition stats for my Southampton team:

Jay Rodriguez - usually employed as a Shadow Striker
2013-14 - - 20 (5) apps; 7 goals
2014-15 - - 31 (10) apps; 18 goals
2015-16 - - 31 (10) apps; 12 goals
2016-17 - - 34 (8) apps; 14 goals
2017-18 - - 35 (11) apps; 22 goals
2018-19 - - 33 (5) apps; 24 goals
2019-20 - - 39 (3) apps; 32 goals
2020/21 - - 7 (3) apps; 2 goals... up to 24th October, 2020

Erik Gomez (regen) - usually played as a Deep-Lying Forward
2018/19 - - 26 (10) apps; 17 goals
2019/20 - - 45 (11) apps; 32 goals
2020/21 - - 5 (2) apps; 1 goal... up to 24th October, 2020

Christoffer Jorgensen (regen) - usually played as a Deep-Lying Forward
2016/17 - - 23 (6 ) apps; 7 goals
2017/18 - - 24 (11) apps; 8 goals
2018/19 - - 25 (13) apps; 21 goals
2019/20 - - 20 (8) apps; 9 goals... injured for 3 months
2020/21 - - 9 (1) apps; 5 goals... up to 24th October, 2020

Jorgensen was very young when I signed him and he struggled at first; Rodriguez and Gomez scored 32 each last season; Second season in a row I've had two 20+ goal strikers; I also have two youth team strikers who have scored a handful of goals for the first team, achieving a 1-in-3 goals:games ratio; Two seasons ago, I had five players on double figures for the season.

Players do miss chances, and it may well be exaggerated in FM14 - see my 50p Head Syndrome comment on the previous page. But you can still get goals from your strikers if you set them and the rest of your team to play the right way.

I keep on pasting the links to my threads in the tactics section, because I really want you guys who are struggling with this game to understand it the way I now feel that I do, so you can start getting your money's worth. So here are those links again. I pride myself on being able to write coherently and in detail, so I make no apologies for the length of these posts - if you read them and take the information in, you will gain insight and knowledge about the game:

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/foot...ics/158222-you-need-more-than-one-tactic.html

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/foot...1-real-4-4-2-how-i-learned-play-triangle.html

 

[TonyVilliers]

You are labouring under the misapprehension that I am not doing well. I am doing fine.

My point is that both teams can play the same mentality, with the same formation and yet the AI team will score with fewer chances than the player. It is just that way.

I shake my head when I look at the stats and see that despite having work ball into box, that the vast majority of shots are taken from the edge or outside the box. Invariably those shots are going to be speculative, more than a CCC or whatever you want to call it.

Be all and end all, is there are countless numbers of people posting match stats which show overwhelming possession, shots, territory etc etc and yet the AI wins, or draws.

The video I posted on page 222 is a classic example of how the game frustrates.

 

[TonyVilliers]

How long can the board hold a grudge?

"The board are still disappointed with the departure of Mario Pugliese".

This was like 2 seasons ago!!! LOL