Yeah, I was Barca in a test save just to try out Messi & the amount of chances he missed was ridiculous. I thought with his 20 finishing he'd bag nearly every clear cut chance... how wrong was I
I'm getting more and more confused with people saying strikers can't score. I ended the first season with Marouane Chamakh scoring 22 goals in the league, and now new summer signing Christian Benteke is on 3 in 6, with 3rd choice Gaetan Courtet putting up 4 in 4 in cup competitions.
Strikers aren't incapable of scoring large amounts. I'm sorry, but they're just not. It's the player's inability to put them in a tactic that works for them, generally.
EDIT: In regards to this whole Messi stupidity, I thought I'd check his first season stats in my file. 19 goals from 38 games? Not amazing, but then again he also got 12 assists and 16 man of the match awards with an average rating of 8.24. So yeah. Any anecdotal evidence you can do, I can do better.
I'm getting more and more confused with people saying strikers can't score. I ended the first season with Marouane Chamakh scoring 22 goals in the league, and now new summer signing Christian Benteke is on 3 in 6, with 3rd choice Gaetan Courtet putting up 4 in 4 in cup competitions.
Strikers aren't incapable of scoring large amounts. I'm sorry, but they're just not. It's the player's inability to put them in a tactic that works for them, generally.
EDIT: In regards to this whole Messi stupidity, I thought I'd check his first season stats in my file. 19 goals from 38 games? Not amazing, but then again he also got 12 assists and 16 man of the match awards with an average rating of 8.24. So yeah. Any anecdotal evidence you can do, I can do better.
had Charlie Austin score 31 in 38 for me at QPR all whilst selling players to keep with in budget and one signing and a few loans so I am in agreement with you people really need to look at how they're setting up their teams
it's more than not being able to score, for me personally it's the manner of the goals scored vs the goals missed, it doesn't look right.
my 2 top scorers have a shot ratio of about 50%. This could be something I'm doing wrong tactically? Player can score god like goals but not bread and butter ones and has sooooo many of these chances, I don't actually want to end the match and see my team have had 30+ shots, that's not what I set out to achieve, no team has this many shots and CCC's in 80% of their games.
I feel like I need to make my tactics a bit more crappy so that I don't have as many chances to score but what would be the point in that.
Some people are better than others at the game, and remember not everyone is an expert, I've been playing since early cm's and I can admit I'm very far from an expert and this instance I don't know how to stop the things that I'm seeing, which makes it easier to slam the M.E.
Perhaps. My strikers hover around 20% in their shots to goals ratio, and one in five is about the kind of figures a top striker gets in the Prem nowadays (Sturridge's is 20%, Suarez 22% etc.). As for shot accuracy - shots on target compared to shots total - the top strikers in the league average under 50% for the most part (Sturridge is 46%, Suarez 42%, RVP 36%) so actually the totals you're getting is probably higher than real life. In the last couple of FMs you could get your strikers achieving shots to goal ratios of about 60 or 70%, which is truly ridiculous. All that's happened is that the game has got more realistic.
Now, AMOUNT of shots are a little high this time round, but nothing too major. If you're frustrated with the amount of shots your players are taking, do the usual thing that worked in the last games. Lower creative freedom, restrict long shots and so on and so forth. It'll mean you get better chances, too, instead of just spraying the goal and hoping for the best.
As for not scoring bread and butter chances... eh, I haven't encountered that. The harder chances don't usually go in, the easier ones (generally headers since I'm playing a heavy wing-based tactic relying on height and strength) mostly go.
Some people are better than others at the game, and remember not everyone is an expert, I've been playing since early cm's and I can admit I'm very far from an expert and this instance I don't know how to stop the things that I'm seeing, which makes it easier to slam the M.E.
Credit to you for not just randomly slamming the ME though, and admitting your own shortcomings. In my eyes, the single biggest flaw with the FM series is lack of feedback. There's precious little way for one to work out WHY one isn't doing so well, and as such lots of people just have to blame the game rather than themselves.
Ok, thanks for the info regarding the shot % I wasn't aware of that, I just took the fact that I'm having a lot of shots and that only half were hitting the target as being poor.
I have tried a few things to reduce shots and have done ok reducing pointless long shots to some extent anyway. It's the chances inside the box that look easy to score that I need to reduce because they tend to lead to poor ratings and as the number of chances build it's inevitable that opposition will score with a handful of chances , this is likely to be because I'm being to rigid with my approach and need to change after scoring, but I've only ever played attacking or possession football.
No one likes to admit there wrong do they, blame someone, anyone, anything, it can't be me? Just human nature, I've played this game too long and I'm getting too old, to simply blame the ME because even if it was totally funked (which it isn't) someone always finds a way around it, this will be the best fm when everything is finally sorted.
On one of my saves I wasn't managing them but had la liga active, Messi finished the season with 11 goals from 35 league games..it's realistic tho, because if you watch football he often only scores 11 goals a season, like about 7 years ago when he got 10 league goals so this is totally normal and the fact he's scored nearly 200 leagues goals since that season is irrelevant.
Perhaps. My strikers hover around 20% in their shots to goals ratio, and one in five is about the kind of figures a top striker gets in the Prem nowadays (Sturridge's is 20%, Suarez 22% etc.). As for shot accuracy - shots on target compared to shots total - the top strikers in the league average under 50% for the most part (Sturridge is 46%, Suarez 42%, RVP 36%) so actually the totals you're getting is probably higher than real life. In the last couple of FMs you could get your strikers achieving shots to goal ratios of about 60 or 70%, which is truly ridiculous. All that's happened is that the game has got more realistic.
Now, AMOUNT of shots are a little high this time round, but nothing too major. If you're frustrated with the amount of shots your players are taking, do the usual thing that worked in the last games. Lower creative freedom, restrict long shots and so on and so forth. It'll mean you get better chances, too, instead of just spraying the goal and hoping for the best.
As for not scoring bread and butter chances... eh, I haven't encountered that. The harder chances don't usually go in, the easier ones (generally headers since I'm playing a heavy wing-based tactic relying on height and strength) mostly go.
I am far from an expert tbf and this is my first save on FM 14, I played strictly 442 in the championship but since moving up to the prem I've changed to 4231 to better utilise my players. I am having trouble getting Austin scoring regularly in that formation but my midfield is now more potent also Austin is probably not good for that formation and I use Shane long over him regularly coz he offers more. I guess what I am trying to say is if the M.E. Is as truly flawed as everyone saying then no one would be having success.
yes their are annoyances but nothing game breaking but I feel the whole striker thing is a myth I think if your tactic is setup for everything to flow through your striker then he will inevitably score more goals but if your striker is a focal point for your wide players or inside forwards to get more involved then the goals will be shared out and if it was that easy to put chances away IRL every game would be 8 all and I feel the M.E. Is a fair reflection of this
I also think that people need to decide what they want I see aloof screenshots of 70 percent possession etc and 30 shots but where exactly are they having this possession? Is it just in front of the defence or in key areas? How many of these shots are long shots etc? Is your tactic aimed at getting the very best out of the players are you using square pegs in round holes etc?
This isn't aimed at you it is at this thread in general it is just that you replied to me, it seems like everyone is trying to play tiki taka and be like barce etc but there is a reason only a few teams and sets of players can actually replicate how this works the M.E. will get better it always does it would appear that people have short memories and that they had a choice they didn't have to buy this game they could've got the demo and decided whether to buy now or wait a few patches that is what I did.
sorry if this went off on a rant like I say this isn't aimed at you it is just that you replied and this thread in general just ***** me off sometimes
If anything, the fact that you're taking a lot of shots AND you're hitting the target about half the time is indicative of a properly good team. My team is a mid-table affair in decent form, and we're taking fewer shots and hitting the target less than you, for example!
Yes, definitely.
This game rewards changing up style and adjusting to events in the match far more than any other did. Last couple of years, I've relied on personnel changes to effect my style - removing an offensive-minded player and replacing him with a defensive-minded one, without changing the tactics, for example - but this year I've had way more success rotating between three (regular, attacking and defensive) tactics as and when they're needed. My regular tactic, a Standard/Rigid 4-4-1-1 allows me to assess the situation and then move to either my Control/Balanced 4-4-2 or Defensive/Rigid 4-1-4-1. It's got me far more success than when I lapse back into my old habits.
Ha ha ha that's exactly how I'm playing! With maidenhead!
i agree that games would be silly if it was easy games would end up 8-0 all the time and no one wants that, it's meant to be a challenge after all .
I hope they tone down the amount of shots tho because I think if you finish a match with 15 attempts, decent ones a mixture of chances that is good day at the office. I've seen ss of 50+ shots and that isn't right.
its actually nice to speak to a couple of people with some sense for once, that don't just say well your doing something wrong, that's no help and adds to people's frustration, as for this thread people love a bandwagon! I know I do! I love to drop a sarcastic comment here and there, makes me feel better.
when sooo many people say the M.e is garbage it creates confusion, I know because I've been there in the past and it gets to the point where you can't differentiate between a genuine loss or a m.e problem, this leads to restating games which leads to false success and for eventually leads to those saves being deleted by me anyway.
SI aren't liars they will say what bugs there are and what they can and can't do, I know it will come good, they do!
it is is nice to talk to someone who has the game in the correct perspective so the feeling is mutual. I will agree with you on the 50 shots that shouldn't happen. I also think that some stuff people consider bugs are probably animation issues I've thought this a lot since the 13. I think that what the match engine is trying to show us sometimes is not represented in the animation that is displayed.
Thats something I've been wondering about for a while, I was thinking the fb/wb thing, I've seen it a lot when they go to close down and just run past the player, it looks awful, I suspected that maybe the attacking player had used some skill and just basically rinsed my player and maybe it just wasn't represented well by the 3d graphics, same with moonwalking, players looking in the wrong direction, strange gks stuff like that.
on 13 Welbeck scored a goal where he slid on his back past 2 players before bolting upright in the box and scoring. It was magic, should have got goal of the season.