Post Your Frustations Thread

[TomNicklin]

first 15 games in the champ with portsmouth, 17 red cards, wooo REALISM!

 

[LUFCNath]

frustration - skins anyone?

 

[GodCubed]

Great
Then how the opposition manage to score 2 from 2 shots? And they don't have top players.

They're creating good chances, or you're giving them away. There's a myriad of reasons.

And how is the manager of the month the guy with 2W 1D 1L and I have 4 W and not even 3 rd place?

If Barca beat four teams 1-0, and in the same time Rayo beat Madrid and Atletico 4-0 each, with a narrow draw and a narrow loss, which manager has accomplished the most? Manager of the month isn't just based on winning.

And players to come and ask for new contract 3 times in a season . I had some after they play well for national team.

Doesn't happen to me. Perhaps you underpay them.

I want to sell a player nobody want to buy him I don't want to sell a player everybody bids for him.

Lol. I don't want this player, WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE ELSE WANT HIM?!

The most ****** game I ever played .

lol wat

If team goes well then you get injuries then players wants new contracts then they want to leave the club and so on . If will be like this in reality we won't have football any more. It's to far from reality.

Confirmation bias is a *****.

And that **** with my tactics are not good , well I am not Ferguson , and I don't have time to learn tactics. Why do I have that coaching staff ?

Because they COACH the players, not come up with the framework within which they coach.

I just want to play football and have some fun. I ask to much?

No. Play FM Classic.

I read W4nkers thread last night and see that he was getting some success by switching to counter at HT if 2-0 up and switching around 70mins if 1-0 up.

the thing is I'm playing possession and pushed up in a formation that has wbs, 2 dc's, a dm, 2 cm's, ifs and a striker I feel I have the right instructions for my strategy. Any instructions you can recommend that go hand in hand with the strategy of countering that are used regardless of formation? (I'm stubborn and don't really like the idea of changing the whole shape.)

i feel simply changing to counter could be dangerous with the instructions of a fluid/balanced attack??

Well, if you want to counter, I'd recommend turning on a more direct passing style, as well as a higher tempo, and make your defensive line sit deeper. Also, get your players to hassle the opponents and deny them time.

I keep failing at this game, compared to 13 the game is really difficult and the ME is still very bad , hopes it gets better, i wont buy FM 15 on the release , a few months later thats for sure.

The ME is better than 13. There's no two ways about it, it just is.

first 15 games in the champ with portsmouth, 17 red cards, wooo REALISM!

Yeah, there's something wrong there. Proof please.

 

[erwinfgroen]

Oh please ME better? The defending is really sad some times , its not very bad but is also far from good. But Si is working on it so i will be patient

 

[erwinfgroen]

They're creating good chances, or you're giving them away. There's a myriad of reasons.




Well, if you want to counter, I'd recommend turning on a more direct passing style, as well as a higher tempo, and make your defensive line sit deeper. Also, get your players to hassle the opponents and deny them time.

A quistion why is a high tempo effient with high tempo? and is also wise if say i am Crystal palace because wouldt the high tempo create many mistakes because the are not the best players so they cant deal with the higher tempo?

 

[samboJ]

Look, I'm coming here for a moan and a groan. This is the place for it. I don't want any "you're **** at the game" comments.

I'm Hull in the PL. Pre-season went well. Our season began away to Sunderland. We lost 1-0. Fair play.

Our results onwards:

Arsenal (H) 1-1 Draw
Rotherham (A) 6-0 Win
Liverpool (H) 3-1 Win
Fulham (H) 1-0 Win
Southampton (H) 4-2 Win
Palace (COC) (H) 2-2p Win

Some sweet results. 10 points from 12. All home games. Fair enough, we played well. 6 goals conceded in 6 games. Not bad at all.

From here onwards:

Norwich (A) 1-3 Loss
Swansea (A) 1-4 Loss
Cardiff (H) 1-4 Loss
Man City (H) 1-2 Loss
Brighton (COC) (A) 0-3 Loss
Aston Villa (A) 0-3 Loss

Shocking. 0 points from 15. 4 away, 2 home. So I expected worse results. But not this bad. How have we gone from conceding 1 goal a game to 19 goals in 6 games. Over 3 a game... Mostly from my goalie fumbling the ball into his own net, which is ridiculous. My keeper has fumbled the ball into his own goal over 10 times in these 19 goals. I've tried team meetings. My tactics never changed at all. I've kept the same core tactic switching between counter and control versions based on the opposition and whether we're home or away.

You can support Football Manager and Sports Interactive as much as you like. But this match engine is awful. Not as bad as FM13 was at this stage but nevertheless the ME is absolutely shocking. So many defensive errors it's unbelievable. I will continue grafting away until we pick it up unless I get sacked. I'm just so frustrated. That's all.

EDIT: Results from here...

Newcastle Away 0-2 Loss

 

[mike887]

hey all Little help plz its probably me ive took a screen shots posted a few on ere!! so i decided to delete what ss was in there folder now when i take new 1s i cant find them any were any 1 no? im using windows 7 home

 

[Bjennzz]

They're creating good chances, or you're giving them away. There's a myriad of reasons.

View attachment 457452View attachment 457451View attachment 457450View attachment 457449View attachment 457448View attachment 457447This was two games straight after each other(with an international break inbetwenn). Ok, it can happen that a team creates many chances and still end up with a draw/loss. But it happens way too often in this game. When my team meet opponents who creates that amount chances...we lose with 3-4-5 goals. A clear cut chance should be a goal( I know players doesn't score on every clear cut chance irl) and a halfchance should mean one goal every two shots( but for discussions sake: clear cut chance = one goal every two. And half chance one goal in three)

These two games should be won easily, but more often than not the opposition have eyes for goal in matches against me. Strikers score unbelievable goals, every corner, free kick hits a head and goes straight in the net and so on.


BUT I have found a solution! Create a tactic where you create a smaller amount of big chances. Less chances = same amount of goals for(and my strikers have magicly become more effective) and less goals against

 

[fatun]

i just started to play with Inter. 5 games lost... and always i was wining 1-0 or 2-0..and in last minutes i got 2 or 3 goals and lost 2-3,1-2 to chievo,verona,sessoulo,parma,palermo....and that happens all times, even playing with monaco, spurs, chelsea, anderlecht, PSV...this game is **** by now, not going to play till next upadate.

 

[Mike.]

Ha ha ha that's exactly how I'm playing! With maidenhead!

i agree that games would be silly if it was easy games would end up 8-0 all the time and no one wants that, it's meant to be a challenge after all .
I hope they tone down the amount of shots tho because I think if you finish a match with 15 attempts, decent ones a mixture of chances that is good day at the office. I've seen ss of 50+ shots and that isn't right.

its actually nice to speak to a couple of people with some sense for once, that don't just say well your doing something wrong, that's no help and adds to people's frustration, as for this thread people love a bandwagon! I know I do! I love to drop a sarcastic comment here and there, makes me feel better.

when sooo many people say the M.e is garbage it creates confusion, I know because I've been there in the past and it gets to the point where you can't differentiate between a genuine loss or a m.e problem, this leads to restating games which leads to false success and for eventually leads to those saves being deleted by me anyway.

SI aren't liars they will say what bugs there are and what they can and can't do, I know it will come good, they do!

Part of the reason i hate this thread is that it perpertuates myths. And when people start believing them, its very hard to get them to stop, and they eventually end up frustrated. Its hugely important to differentiate between bugs and tactical issues.

Things like your fullbacks not engaging properly, thats bugs, and a number of must fix ones too.

Shots will get tweaked, especially decision making. But on the other hand, having shots and not creating CCC ad getting spanked on the counter would be more of a tactical issue, but its very easy to see how the two different things get blended together.

 

[GodCubed]

View attachment 412854View attachment 412857View attachment 412858View attachment 412861View attachment 412863View attachment 412864This was two games straight after each other(with an international break inbetwenn). Ok, it can happen that a team creates many chances and still end up with a draw/loss. But it happens way too often in this game. When my team meet opponents who creates that amount chances...we lose with 3-4-5 goals. A clear cut chance should be a goal( I know players doesn't score on every clear cut chance irl) and a halfchance should mean one goal every two shots( but for discussions sake: clear cut chance = one goal every two. And half chance one goal in three)

A clear cut chance shouldn't automatically mean they should've scored. All it means is it was a clear scoring chance, which the game is VERY liberal about. ****, crosses that hit the bar are often defined as CCCs. Basically, stop looking at them and look at what your players are actually doing.

These two games should be won easily, but more often than not the opposition have eyes for goal in matches against me. Strikers score unbelievable goals, every corner, free kick hits a head and goes straight in the net and so on.

Confirmation bias again.

BUT I have found a solution! Create a tactic where you create a smaller amount of big chances. Less chances = same amount of goals for(and my strikers have magicly become more effective) and less goals against

And again! It just doesn't work that way. I've got two files running at the moment, a Palace one and a Barcelona one as a trial. The Palace one, I have fewer shots, fewer chances, less possession. I usually win by one goal if I do. With Barca, I'm regularly thrashing people 4-0. It's how it should be.

 

[GodCubed]

i just started to play with Inter. 5 games lost... and always i was wining 1-0 or 2-0..and in last minutes i got 2 or 3 goals and lost 2-3,1-2 to chievo,verona,sessoulo,parma,palermo....and that happens all times, even playing with monaco, spurs, chelsea, anderlecht, PSV...this game is **** by now, not going to play till next upadate.

Conceding late goals? Game must be broken. It couldn't be you being ****, not at all.

 

[GodCubed]

You can support Football Manager and Sports Interactive as much as you like. But this match engine is awful. Not as bad as FM13 was at this stage but nevertheless the ME is absolutely shocking. So many defensive errors it's unbelievable. I will continue grafting away until we pick it up unless I get sacked. I'm just so frustrated. That's all.

Can people please learn what they're talking about in regards to criticising the match engine before they do so? Because FM13s match engine is just not that bad. Not even close. It's better than every single ME the entire series has ever produced, with the partial exception of FM12 (and that was only because that was the final form of an ME that had been improved and built upon for three games prior).

I'm sorry, but it's not even up for debate in this case. This ME is better than FM13s, and it has collision detection, which AUTOMATICALLY makes it FAR superior to any other ME in FM/CM history, even discounting the hundreds of other upgrades.

 

[Bjennzz]

A clear cut chance shouldn't automatically mean they should've scored. All it means is it was a clear scoring chance, which the game is VERY liberal about. ****, crosses that hit the bar are often defined as CCCs. Basically, stop looking at them and look at what your players are actually doing.



Confirmation bias again.



And again! It just doesn't work that way. I've got two files running at the moment, a Palace one and a Barcelona one as a trial. The Palace one, I have fewer shots, fewer chances, less possession. I usually win by one goal if I do. With Barca, I'm regularly thrashing people 4-0. It's how it should be.

So, in those screenshots there are many clear cut chances from the byline? I have seen the chances myself, they were pretty clear.
As you say "clear scoring chance", where you SHOULD score most of the time. But in this game you miss more often than not.

Stop looking at the numbers that say i should've won? What the players are doing is creating big enough chances to score more goals than the opposition. And if you get "clear scoring chances" around the penalty mark you should score. But of course the players can do better, they should not let the opposition get any shots in at all. That's the only possibility to stop the awesome goals that their strikers, central defenders etc score.

All a manager can do is find a way to play that creates enough goalscoring opportunities. And I think many of the people who have shown their frustration here feel they are playing well. Is it something with our tactic setup that takes away the strikers capability to score from 5-10 meters? We can also reverse that, how about the opposition? They are playing like **** for 90 minutes, but every now and then their players get skills like messi. Just slices through the defenceline and puts in the far corner, chipping the ball over the keeper(who stands near the line) from 30 meters or they score on a corner etc. Is it bad management? Should i see that coming? Should i put 10 men in defence?

In my opinion there is an unrealistic difference between goals for compared to shots/CCC/halfchances and goals against compared to shots/CCC/halfchances. I know all of you with green and red letters disagree, but maybe there is something in it? So many people who can't seem to find the net isn't just about bad tactics and being unlucky.

Yeah, the last point was just an exaggeration. Of course you should win 4-0 in those games.

 

[GodCubed]

So, in those screenshots there are many clear cut chances from the byline? I have seen the chances myself, they were pretty clear.
As you say "clear scoring chance", where you SHOULD score most of the time. But in this game you miss more often than not.

Yeah, that's what WE define it as. The game defines it as a lot more flexible than that.

Stop looking at the numbers that say i should've won? What the players are doing is creating big enough chances to score more goals than the opposition. And if you get "clear scoring chances" around the penalty mark you should score. But of course the players can do better, they should not let the opposition get any shots in at all. That's the only possibility to stop the awesome goals that their strikers, central defenders etc score.

No, stop looking at CCC figures, they're mostly useless. I just had a game which gave me a clear cut chance because their keeper dropped the ball from a cross with nobody else within twenty yards of him. Goes to show just how pointless CCCs are as a measurement of dominance at the moment.

All a manager can do is find a way to play that creates enough goalscoring opportunities. And I think many of the people who have shown their frustration here feel they are playing well. Is it something with our tactic setup that takes away the strikers capability to score from 5-10 meters? We can also reverse that, how about the opposition? They are playing like **** for 90 minutes, but every now and then their players get skills like messi. Just slices through the defenceline and puts in the far corner, chipping the ball over the keeper(who stands near the line) from 30 meters or they score on a corner etc. Is it bad management? Should i see that coming? Should i put 10 men in defence?

See, what I don't get is how you can cite all the other people complaining about the ME as an example, but not all the people who are successfully playing the game and winning matches. We all have the same game; if the ME is as bugged against human players as you imply (even though the ME can't tell the difference between human players and AIs) why aren't we all struggling? Why aren't I struggling? The simple fact of the matter here is, there's only one difference between the people who are complaining and those who aren't, and that's the person behind the keyboard. If the game was intrinsically imbalanced against human players, we wouldn't have people posting up near-perfect seasons.

In my opinion there is an unrealistic difference between goals for compared to shots/CCC/halfchances and goals against compared to shots/CCC/halfchances. I know all of you with green and red letters disagree, but maybe there is something in it? So many people who can't seem to find the net isn't just about bad tactics and being unlucky.

Why not? There aren't many people who are properly actually good at FM. SFraser on the SI forums was probably the best FM player I've ever seen, he was amazing. But past him, there's quite a few good players and then the vast oceans of people who don't understand the game or how to properly play it. I've been playing the series all my life and I haven't got close to being a good player, not really. It really can be about bad luck, bad tactics, bad signings and all the bells and whistles that accompany the game. ****, I know I'm pretty bad at man management in FM, and it lost me a few critical games in the past season.

 

[Mike.]

Yeah, that's what WE define it as. The game defines it as a lot more flexible than that.



No, stop looking at CCC figures, they're mostly useless. I just had a game which gave me a clear cut chance because their keeper dropped the ball from a cross with nobody else within twenty yards of him. Goes to show just how pointless CCCs are as a measurement of dominance at the moment.



See, what I don't get is how you can cite all the other people complaining about the ME as an example, but not all the people who are successfully playing the game and winning matches. We all have the same game; if the ME is as bugged against human players as you imply (even though the ME can't tell the difference between human players and AIs) why aren't we all struggling? Why aren't I struggling? The simple fact of the matter here is, there's only one difference between the people who are complaining and those who aren't, and that's the person behind the keyboard. If the game was intrinsically imbalanced against human players, we wouldn't have people posting up near-perfect seasons.



Why not? There aren't many people who are properly actually good at FM. SFraser on the SI forums was probably the best FM player I've ever seen, he was amazing. But past him, there's quite a few good players and then the vast oceans of people who don't understand the game or how to properly play it. I've been playing the series all my life and I haven't got close to being a good player, not really. It really can be about bad luck, bad tactics, bad signings and all the bells and whistles that accompany the game. ****, I know I'm pretty bad at man management in FM, and it lost me a few critical games in the past season.

What separates the good from the rest is know they are bad at something and they keep improvng on it, I'm willing to bet you are much better than you used to be, because you dont spend every waking moment blaming the game, I used to be really frustrated with the game, till I read SFraser and ThebetterHalf, vastly sharpened up how i saw and interpreted sliders. Never looked back since the inception of the TC.

 

[GodCubed]

What separates the good from the rest is know they are bad at something and they keep improvng on it, I'm willing to bet you are much better than you used to be, because you dont spend every waking moment blaming the game, I used to be really frustrated with the game, till I read SFraser and ThebetterHalf, vastly sharpened up how i saw and interpreted sliders. Never looked back since the inception of the TC.

I used to be legitimately ******* **** at FM. I didn't ever really blame the ME because I didn't really know what it was or how it worked, but it was frustrating as all ****. I've improved as the game got more advanced and harder, and as soon as the TC launched I finally began to understand the deeper workings of the thing. FM12 was probably when I properly got a handle on all of it (since so many of the things were redundancies left over from old FMs, 'hard' tackling anyone?) and now I'm good enough to properly get everything reacting more or less as it should (and unlike some manage to do it at a speed above glacial ).

 

[chebonaparte]

hey guys ive played fm games many years now, i would consider myself to be decent player although these new roles and positions are new for me , i understand alot of the fustrations many have posted here. i will say weve all felt that rage or disbelief sometimes with crazy stats etc however in my experience its good to flip your tactics if they are failing. adapt and change . keep what works and dont be afraid to completely overhaul lots new tactics or formations. the hardest thing to do is probably blend the youth and reserves into your team, injuries will make this essentail and maybe its more realistic and forces us to realy work think like a real life manager has to under pressure. i will say the database and stats and accuracy of players and teams is breath takingly accurate and please remember they have to allow for randomness as in real life football, one of my current game saves is amazingly accurate to the current premier league standings and results and thats tribute to the fm team. the beauty of football and fm is that sometimes the **** team can beat the messis and barcas enjoy the randomness and if you must -just reload and retry different tactics, formations or players yes even the ones you havent played all season yet!

theres something wonderful about giving your weak youth or reserve players a debut and for them to score on it! that said you will find some teams just seem to have your game numbered. i put berbatov on transfer list because he hadnt scored a BPL goal in 8 games then he scored a hattrick thanks to "TheModern tactic" that tactic also gave me a 5-2 result away to NEWC, it fell apart against Liverpool 1-5 though i like to make my own unorthodox tactics/formations and modify it to several versions.

look at pl standing now in real- who would have predicted Southampton would be where they are right now? in 1 my saves that team became norwich. right now everton is on top. is this unreal or fairly accurate? i feel it is the right balance between the unpredictability of players form and managers results. i do feel setpieces are too repetative in the match engine for both teams however. as in real its about quality of football not quantity remember this when your stats are annoying you.

enjoy the game yes its a simulation but its a game have fun

 

[martin_2304]

As loathe as I am to admit it, I think I might have been wrong about my initial rage about the ME. I've gone back to playing again the past couple of nights and I think I'm finally starting to click with it. Someone posted yesterday about the ME not quite interpreting what the game wants it to and, for me, that explains a lot of the things. I know the ME isn't perfect, but I do see a lot of positives and that aside, I think the rest of the game is great. I play mainly for the database, the stats, searching for hours for players, reading about some random team from Uzbekistan, following the African Champions League, etc and all of that is still there and improved upon.

I've discovered that, as some others have mentioned already, giving yourself an option of three different tactics to choose from in a match really helps in 14. I never used to change my tactics at all in game in 13 as I felt I never really had to.

I had one match against Bishop's Stortford in TSS who were in last place, but they just had a new manager and were in decent form, I lost 1-0 as we were obviously too cocky and thought we'd sail through. Next game, a cup match against Welling in TSP (in 2nd in the league), I told the team to show me what they can do to bounce back - 1-1 at half-time. I noticed I wasn't seeing much of the ball so changed formation to 4-5-1, slower tempo, retain possession etc. went 4-1 up, changed to 5-4-1 at 80 minutes and retained the lead. Was quite satisfying knowing my changes had affected the game. In the Bishop's Stortford game I just kept the same tactic all the way through, which they were obviously coping with. Managers irl change up their formations as the game goes a few times a match to adapt to the opposition, I guess I just wasn't used to that level of realism. I've been doing that since with relative success (relative, as you can't win every match no matter how good you are).

Anyway, my point is, I've found with a little more work than I'm used to, I've been able to get some enjoyment out of 14 where I never thought it was possible. I know it's not nice for us to think it, but perhaps previous versions were too easy? I went through a phase managing Guernsey in League 2 in FM13 where I didn't lose a league game all season (OK, Arsenal did it once, granted) but it became so boring I ended up quitting the game after I got promoted in February. I'm currently 12th in TSS with Tonbridge, following a rocky patch at the beginning where I was in 20th :/ Dare I say it, I'm having a bit more fun now.

 

[BBassic]

My only remaining gripe is with the defence and I'm not 100% it isn't caused by my tactics anyway so hardly seems fair to whinge about it