yeah i'm going to have to address attacking defensive minded teams. I wanted to come up with a different approach like lowering the tempo and maybe starting games on overload just to see if i can get an early goal and force opposition to become more attack minded.
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yeah i'm going to have to address attacking defensive minded teams. I wanted to come up with a different approach like lowering the tempo and maybe starting games on overload just to see if i can get an early goal and force opposition to become more attack minded.
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Haha that's nice to hear
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Giovinco is someone i tried to get last season in the summer window to be my AP but he refused to sign with me. Finally in january he would negotiate but only for absurdly high wages like 160kpw.
Please let me know how it works in Brazil against defensive teams galego25 has brought up how this tactic struggled with standard mentality when he played against a defensive team but had better results switching to attacking mentality. I have had better results this season away from home and against bigger teams since most of my players are fluid in the tactic but as always will look for ways i can improve
thanks mate, very helpful and well written! I'll start to do a bit of squad building and tactic training then give it a proper test for a full season in my brazilian save - Brazil is the ultimate Crossing Manager **** as most teams will play a psycho 4-2-2-2 DM (basically is like playing against 4 DMC's) that destroys any central play...
Had a very brief test in my Toronto FC guinea pig save and the style of football looked very promising (my team is very strong for MLS standard), with Giovinco starring at AP - 5 goals in three games - and showing flair one-on-one, including a nice lob shot to beat the keeper, first time I saw this since FM 2014
Haha that's nice to hear
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Giovinco is someone i tried to get last season in the summer window to be my AP but he refused to sign with me. Finally in january he would negotiate but only for absurdly high wages like 160kpw.
Please let me know how it works in Brazil against defensive teams galego25 has brought up how this tactic struggled with standard mentality when he played against a defensive team but had better results switching to attacking mentality. I have had better results this season away from home and against bigger teams since most of my players are fluid in the tactic but as always will look for ways i can improve
Was using Mr L Counter Gambit tactic with great success until the last patch went on to try killin my save. Plugged your tactic in and results are outstanding, will post ss later on. Many runs from the five guys forwards offering nice open play in the middle, really solid at the back. It is half season and still have the second part to play, will keep you updated. Good work so far!
Trying it now but with two small tweaks that seem to work better for my team.
Just as an idea, do you think it would be possible to use two wide midfielders instead of the central midfielders? I had great success in FM16 with such a formation. Of course the style of play would be a little different, but perhaps it could be an alternative for when the main tactic isn't producing? Here is what I used in FM16, haven't had the chance to revisit it in FM17 yet:
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Haha that's nice to hear
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Giovinco is someone i tried to get last season in the summer window to be my AP but he refused to sign with me. Finally in january he would negotiate but only for absurdly high wages like 160kpw.
Please let me know how it works in Brazil against defensive teams galego25 has brought up how this tactic struggled with standard mentality when he played against a defensive team but had better results switching to attacking mentality. I have had better results this season away from home and against bigger teams since most of my players are fluid in the tactic but as always will look for ways i can improve
will do, my go-to tactic is a flat 4-3-3 so I already have the core of players for this. I actually won the league as a newly promoted team last year but it was the typical cross orgy that is haunting me since FM 16. Hence your approach is a bit like a holy grail for me hahaha
One thing I noticed from very brief TFC testing is the AP tends to get quite a few chances because the playmaker role will attract more balls plus he's in central position so will also get in good position for crosses/lateral cut passes; so maybe a 'get further forward' PI and/or 'get into penalty box' PPM could make him more dangerous.
Also you should consider opening a thread for your tactic, there seems to be interest and you already have written more than enough for a very good OP
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that's a nice looking formation with what looks like really impressive player performances/ratings.
I started this tactic based off of tweaks and role changes from a strikerless tactic created by veez.
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but i didn't have success buying the right players for wide positions and adapted it to fit the players i had. Eventually tactic became what I've shared with everyone here. I might revisit wide players again and will see what i can think of. I just tinkered around with a tactic tweak for defensive teams/when needing a goal just waiting for the right time to unleash it and will share it with you.
Just as an idea, do you think it would be possible to use two wide midfielders instead of the central midfielders? I had great success in FM16 with such a formation. Of course the style of play would be a little different, but perhaps it could be an alternative for when the main tactic isn't producing? Here is what I used in FM16, haven't had the chance to revisit it in FM17 yet:
that's a nice looking formation with what looks like really impressive player performances/ratings.
I started this tactic based off of tweaks and role changes from a strikerless tactic created by veez.
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but i didn't have success buying the right players for wide positions and adapted it to fit the players i had. Eventually tactic became what I've shared with everyone here. I might revisit wide players again and will see what i can think of. I just tinkered around with a tactic tweak for defensive teams/when needing a goal just waiting for the right time to unleash it and will share it with you.
will do, my go-to tactic is a flat 4-3-3 so I already have the core of players for this. I actually won the league as a newly promoted team last year but it was the typical cross orgy that is haunting me since FM 16. Hence your approach is a bit like a holy grail for me hahaha
One thing I noticed from very brief TFC testing is the AP tends to get quite a few chances because the playmaker role will attract more balls plus he's in central position so will also get in good position for crosses/lateral cut passes; so maybe a 'get further forward' PI and/or 'get into penalty box' PPM could make him more dangerous.
Also you should consider opening a thread for your tactic, there seems to be interest and you already have written more than enough for a very good OP
I will start a thread very soon. Hopefully before the end of the week with more results to share. I'm also a procrastinator and putting off making a thread because of how long I imagine it will take to make. Some of these replies take a while to write because I want to give as much information I can so people will have a greater understanding of the tactic. But since I have posted so much here I will probably copy and paste most of it
Yes the AP role is interesting with the amount of chances he gets in this tactic. I recently played Dele Alli there because i'm still trying to find out his best position for this tactic. His stats are very impressive and wide ranging and I want to utilize him properly, he has played SS, CM and recently AP
Here is his last game at AP where he scored 4 goals.
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His PPM's are Arrives late in opponent's area, comes deep to get ball and runs with ball often. He didn't score as a result of a breakaway/1 on 1 but from passes when he was already in the penalty box. His strength and size make him a good target for build up and finishing off chances in the box.
With his promising results i'm wondering if a more traditional striker/complete forward will work in this role. Someone with strength height and finishing might be deadly. I will try playing Kuki and adam armstrong here - they are the only remaining strikers i have at the club
I will start a thread very soon. Hopefully before the end of the week with more results to share. I'm also a procrastinator and putting off making a thread because of how long I imagine it will take to make. Some of these replies take a while to write because I want to give as much information I can so people will have a greater understanding of the tactic. But since I have posted so much here I will probably copy and paste most of it
Yes the AP role is interesting with the amount of chances he gets in this tactic. I recently played Dele Alli there because i'm still trying to find out his best position for this tactic. His stats are very impressive and wide ranging and I want to utilize him properly, he has played SS, CM and recently AP
Here is his last game at AP where he scored 4 goals.
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His PPM's are Arrives late in opponent's area, comes deep to get ball and runs with ball often. He didn't score as a result of a breakaway/1 on 1 but from passes when he was already in the penalty box. His strength and size make him a good target for build up and finishing off chances in the box.
With his promising results i'm wondering if a more traditional striker/complete forward will work in this role. Someone with strength height and finishing might be deadly. I will try playing Kuki and adam armstrong here - they are the only remaining strikers i have at the club
Glad the advanced playmaker input payed out. Did you ever trying using an Enganche? Cant remember if we spoke about it.
This looks good! I've taken it for a spin in my tactics test game.. using the editor to max it (playing as Frankfurt).. haven't lost ! Using it tonight in a network game.. Ill let you know how it goes!
Quick backstory for anyone interested - I shared an early version of this Tactic with Martino after he created a strikerless tactic thread
ww w. fm-base .c o .u k /forum/share-download-fm-17-tactics/361931-soffyroad-works-great-low-league-teams-well.html
sorry for crappy link above, idk why but it won't let me post links just copy and paste above - but please check out his thread and see his thoughts on tactics and player roles
the soffyroad tactic he made was similar to my formation so I shared mine with him and asked him what he thought.
That version of the tactic I shared with him had complete wingbacks, 3 SS's, and used a different mentality.
He recommended using wingbacks, changing the central SS to an AP on attack and changing the mentality to standard. His input has been essential in bringing consistency and my success with this tactic.
I don't think we talked about an Enganche. I haven't really used an Enganche in any iteration of FM so I avoided using an enganche here. I'll have to defer to your judgement/recommendations not only on enganche's but player roles/mentalities as you are the real tactician here.
Awesome!
Please share your results/suggestions. Hopefully I can incorporate them into a thread for this tactic I plan on making by the end of the week.
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Is this variations on the same tactic? If so, which one is proving to be the better alternative?
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Every tactic if you use an Editor will win or at least boost your chances unfairly so i dont see why people have to use the Editors , if you want to know if a tactic is good try it with a low morale team and work at it DO NOT CHEAT !!
Quick backstory for anyone interested - I shared an early version of this Tactic with Martino after he created a strikerless tactic thread
ww w. fm-base .c o .u k /forum/share-download-fm-17-tactics/361931-soffyroad-works-great-low-league-teams-well.html
sorry for crappy link above, idk why but it won't let me post links just copy and paste above - but please check out his thread and see his thoughts on tactics and player roles
the soffyroad tactic he made was similar to my formation so I shared mine with him and asked him what he thought.
That version of the tactic I shared with him had complete wingbacks, 3 SS's, and used a different mentality.
He recommended using wingbacks, changing the central SS to an AP on attack and changing the mentality to standard. His input has been essential in bringing consistency and my success with this tactic.
I don't think we talked about an Enganche. I haven't really used an Enganche in any iteration of FM so I avoided using an enganche here. I'll have to defer to your judgement/recommendations not only on enganche's but player roles/mentalities as you are the real tactician here.
Well. The enganche can be a real mastermind if there is a lot of movement around him(which there is in your tactic). The advanced playmaker is more "tweakable" to operate defensively and can be told to run into channels for instance. The enganche is great if you have a rather slow player who you dont want to lose possesion because of dribbling
Yes Soffyroad and this have alot in common relying heavily on through balls as they both are strikerless and wingerless. Its awesome that they work great in that area. Makes interesting football.
Its awesome that it worked out great! Killer tactic and very consistent.
those are suggested player filters for each role/position. I shared them to help people find players for this tactic.
here's the latest version of this tactic - i shared earlier in this thread.
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I believe he was referring to tactical familiarity when he said using an editor to max it, and it's a tactic test save. It's very useful to use FMRTE to make the tactic fully fluid before testing it, if you want to test it just for one or a few games... without it, you would have to play a lot of games to see what the tactic can or can't do...
Have you seen xper's tactic? I don't know if it will be high scoring but people seem to be saying it's giving them good results.
I have but I didn't test it for more than one game... too many tactics, too little time... if you try, please share your results.