Terminate FM2017:Pep Guardiola's Barcelona Tiki-Taka433&How 2 win all matches with it

[beshion1943]

I did't change nothing, just follow your instrucions. I have bought 4 new players(3 for first eleven and 1 ona banch) and familiraty was allmost full. Only tempo was abot 65%. And like I said. I dominated all opponents (shoot, poss) bou they scoring. My many shoots is missed, many post and bars. So it usually look like this: I control the ball and game, make shoots and danger every opponent situation makes my worry. Its funny when I look to fixture:

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I was going pretty well till the game witch Juve I dominated tham as well but...

The play looks nice but more of shoots are from semi distance or distance and missed.
And beside opponent not doing too much shoots, his every action is danger and makes me screaming: "noo!! ****! nooo!! one shoot!!! this is bull... "

I still think this is good tactic but maybe I am not patient enough. I think part of those missed shoots could be changed for a pass on space to striker witch is almost(in third phase) playing on offside line and he colud run on one-on-one. What i mean is more combinated pass around box than stupide and useless shoots. There is 3 players witch support up front and non witch attack, maybe this is a problem but it looks great when WB's will come high and i that situation they should play more combinated than shoot. Another think is i can't recognize opponents mentality even with your advice. For me all mentalietes looks the same in defensive line Another thing is to big distance between both CM's and IF's+WB's. IF's and WB's are very closly on flanks i third phase and CM's are too far i think.

After lost with Juve at home 0-3 I was so angry that i deleted this tactic And after that i played diffrent tactics but i am sure i will come back to yours and gonna twick maybe something.

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try balabce mentality next time when you're home to against juve

 

[Bibasczenko]

Thanks for another advice I will try tham all especially mentalietes and i will not give up just because one lost with Juve. I keep going cause i have holiday till 10th of January. And listen, man: Every fan of FM has a short time in every year when he disappire from a public life

 

[beshion1943]

Thanks for another advice I will try tham all especially mentalietes and i will not give up just because one lost with Juve. I keep going cause i have holiday till 10th of January. And listen, man: Every fan of FM has a short time in every year when he disappire from a public life

you talk about players prefer shoot to pass,check their teamwork ..

 

[Bibasczenko]

you talk about players prefer shoot to pass,check their teamwork ..

Familiraty is about 95% and now I have better results I am still thinking to improve passing and movment up front. I want to make it quicker cause sometimes IF's are running with the ball slowly and they loos it I am wondering to change tempo in control version to High or leave Slow but change from Fluid to Very Fluid. What U think? Is it goona works in Your tac?

 

[beshion1943]

Familiraty is about 95% and now I have better results I am still thinking to improve passing and movment up front. I want to make it quicker cause sometimes IF's are running with the ball slowly and they loos it I am wondering to change tempo in control version to High or leave Slow but change from Fluid to Very Fluid. What U think? Is it goona works in Your tac?

i have no idea. you can test though i won't change. about the team shape, i know a theory which says fluid means 1-2 specialist role(like F9 AP DLP...) and very fluid means 0-1 this role, i wanna use AP(Xavi) and F9(Messi),so i choose fluid and tick more expression to balance my tatic.
about losing ball when dribbling, maybe you can tick tougher challenge in team instructions.

 

[beshion1943]

besides, low bavery player are easily to be challenged, i know most of IFs are low bravery

 

[beshion1943]

Thanks for another advice I will try tham all especially mentalietes and i will not give up just because one lost with Juve. I keep going cause i have holiday till 10th of January. And listen, man: Every fan of FM has a short time in every year when he disappire from a public life

updated man

 

[Bibasczenko]

hello bro. Great news!!! Can U tell what did U change exactly??

 

[beshion1943]

hello bro. Great news!!! Can U tell what did U change exactly??

no big updated..
add pass into channel in Counter, and some other little changes...
i'm still wondering why i lost 2-3 in Camp Nou when facing Mancini's 4141 Barca, should i drag WBs back to normal positions or not when facing attacking mentality 4141?

 

[Bibasczenko]

I am about to start new save with Great Milan cause after last 4 seasones I know this game better(players, staff members, etc.) beside I want to take care about Youth Development as well. So i gonna use your tac again

I dont know is it about WBs. Maybe it's about the High of defensive line.

Questions:

1. When U play standard or counter mentallity the Width is balanced and fairly and when U changed DMd to HBd following Your advice U change it: in standard for fairly narrow and in counter for balance?

2. When U play for exapmle against 442 and U use standard or counter do U change width for the most narrower one or just move it one tick to the left side?

 

[beshion1943]

I am about to start new save with Great Milan cause after last 4 seasones I know this game better(players, staff members, etc.) beside I want to take care about Youth Development as well. So i gonna use your tac again

I dont know is it about WBs. Maybe it's about the High of defensive line.

Questions:

1. When U play standard or counter mentallity the Width is balanced and fairly and when U changed DMd to HBd following Your advice U change it: in standard for fairly narrow and in counter for balance?

2. When U play for exapmle against 442 and U use standard or counter do U change width for the most narrower one or just move it one tick to the left side?

1 yes 2 i just can't understand what you asking about.

in any situation, when DM to HB is needed, you should reduce your width like that to keep a proper width or you'll find players can't connect each other.
why you must change DM to HB when facing 442? it's because your 2 central defenders surely can't handle the opponents' 2 central strikers' attack and pressing in theory. and HB will drop deeper to help you CDs to handle the CFs like a false CD and also provide another option for your keeper's short passing(the so called Salida Lavolpiana).

 

[Bibasczenko]

1. Thank You

2. I understand role of HB. What I mined was:

Playing against 442 using counter mentality. How do U change width?

Like this?:

fairly width (Team Instructions) -->>balance (cause DMd change for HBd)

or

fairly width (TI's)-->>narrow* (description on tac above)

??? And that is what I minde

*narrow means the narrowest possible option

 

[beshion1943]

1. Thank You

2. I understand role of HB. What I mined was:

Playing against 442 using counter mentality. How do U change width?

Like this?:

fairly width (Team Instructions) -->>balance (cause DMd change for HBd)

or

fairly width (TI's)-->>narrow (description on tac above)

normal of course...
what i mean in the picture is"minus 1", sorry for my english...

 

[Bibasczenko]

Ok, Thanks a lot.
Stay on Touch.

 

[Bibasczenko]

I forrgot!!!

Who do U prefer on DMd(HBd) role? Ruben Neves style or Matias Kranevitter profil?

 

[beshion1943]

I forrgot!!!

Who do U prefer on DMd(HBd) role? Ruben Neves style or Matias Kranevitter profil?

Kranevitter.

you can check in the game by highlights to judge& choose.

by the way, Ruben Neves is the most suitble kid to play a DLP in 4231..

 

[cez]

fantastic guide thanks man, im currently playing my own 433 and will test it in some games but already can see it work exactly like barcas tiki taka, dominating the game

 

[beshion1943]

fantastic guide thanks man, im currently playing my own 433 and will test it in some games but already can see it work exactly like barcas tiki taka, dominating the game

fine .
and don't forget to change a CD's role in corner kick defense in Control. you can check the difference between Control and Balance and change it for yourself.

 

[Lopata19104]

i know its Barca but still look at the results!!! awesome tactic!!!
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[beshion1943]

i know its Barca but still look at the results!!! awesome tactic!!!
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well, it's fine. after all, i spend 3 years on creating FM tikitaka.