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Redrup said:
Maybe. But if you ask me, that isn't a reason to bend over for people's greed.
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But that's what people have been doing for years. It's not as if Chelsea and City started the era of vastly inflated pay for footballers, long before they threw their own financial weight around other big clubs were doing just the same. Greed will always dominate any system where spending is allowed to escalate at a near unrestricted rate. That's just human nature. I'm not saying it's right but it's pretty **** inevitable.


Not to mention, we secured Cazorla for £12m over the Summer. You don't have to pay over the odds for quality.
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Cazorla is a really disingenuous example though, because he was very much undersold. Eeveryone agrees that a player of his quality would have sold for far more, had Malaga not been desperate to sell. It was less money than they paid to Villareal don't forget!

So, like Everton, you're in a bit of a tough situation because your manager has to constantly uncover potential and replace it just to stay in contention. It's a bit likle playing the stock market: to keep up with the big boys, you have to make speculative offers and you often lose your best investments. Every week you have to find another company to invest in, then another, then another. That's a lot of pressure and it's unlikely that you will be able to maintain your current standing, let alone become more successful. Meanwhile, the bigger players in that scene can both absorb a loss without too much hassle and invest in the more expensive, established routes. I use this example because it's pretty apt: without wanting to get all drunken twerp in the student union on you, this sort of thing is inevitable in an unfettered, ruthless capitalist system. That's why, despite being a Chelsea fan, I welcome attempts to regulate spending in football.
 
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Subtle said:
But that's what people have been doing for years. It's not as if Chelsea and City started the era of vastly inflated pay for footballers, long before they threw their own financial weight around other big clubs were doing just the same. Greed will always dominate any system where spending is allowed to escalate at a near unrestricted rate. That's just human nature. I'm not saying it's right but it's pretty **** inevitable.




Cazorla is a really disingenuous example though, because he was very much undersold. Eeveryone agrees that a player of his quality would have sold for far more, had Malaga not been desperate to sell. It was less money than they paid to Villareal don't forget!

So, like Everton, you're in a bit of a tough situation because your manager has to constantly uncover potential and replace it just to stay in contention. It's a bit likle playing the stock market: to keep up with the big boys, you have to make speculative offers and you often lose your best investments. Every week you have to find another company to invest in, then another, then another. That's a lot of pressure and it's unlikely that you will be able to maintain your current standing, let alone become more successful. Meanwhile, the bigger players in that scene can both absorb a loss without too much hassle and invest in the more expensive, established routes. I use this example because it's pretty apt: without wanting to get all drunken twerp in the student union on you, this sort of thing is inevitable in an unfettered, ruthless capitalist system. That's why, despite being a Chelsea fan, I welcome attempts to regulate spending in football.
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Lal.
 
It's true though :-/

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Can we not do this though. Like seriously, if people want to discuss the semantics of capitalism just send me a pm.

I think we can all agree that English football is currently subject to a system where there is very little to limit transfer inflation other than the wealth and willingness of the richest clubs. ,
 
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Joel` said:
In a true unfettered, ruthless capitalist system the ones who fail go bust. So the league would just be Arsenal and United dominating.
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Only if you define failure as operating on a single scale, which it doesn't. A company that makes a small investment and doesn't see a rerun does not go bust in a true unfettered, ruthless capitalist system, yet that is a failure. That only happens if they go "all in", which in footballing terms would involve spunking loads of money you don't have on players to win promotion/prizes. There are plenty of examples of that though, so if anything you're just kind of proving my point... o.O
 
Subtle said:
Only if you define failure as operating on a single scale, which it doesn't. A company that makes a small investment and doesn't see a rerun does not go bust in a true unfettered, ruthless capitalist system, yet that is a failure. That only happens if they go "all in", which in footballing terms would involve spunking loads of money you don't have on players to win promotion/prizes. There are plenty of examples of that though, so if anything you're just kind of proving my point... o.O
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A bad business in a truly capitalist system will always lose out to the superior competition, and thus will never have the resources to be able to absorb losses. Being smart enough to make small, safe investments rather than going all in is part of being a good business. As another financial analogy, a lot of people blame capitalism for the banking crisis - this is wrong. In capitalism, you have private profits and private losses, meaning you don't make excessive gambles to ensure survival. We had socialised losses, allowing banks to make excessive risks as they were "too big to fail" and would be bailed out by the state regardless of the risks they took.

Off topic, so make a new thread or PM me. :)
 
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I can't believe how good this guy is.

[video=youtube;AeqwHs7UH4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeqwHs7UH4g[/video]
 
Nice to see Gibbs get some recognition for his brilliant form with an England recall.
 
Quasit said:
Also did really well with chances he got. Luck wasn't just on his side yesterday.
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Dude was in the game 10 minutes and had multiple chances and an assist.

He's gaining confidence and his teammates are learning how to feed him (crosses to him have been much better).

But with Pods and Gerv form, It'll be hard for Oli to start...unless with put Gerv on the right wing as Theo and Ox are not lighting the world on fire.
 
Montanaro said:
But with Pods and Gerv form, It'll be hard for Oli to start...unless with put Gerv on the right wing as Theo and Ox are not lighting the world on fire.
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Yes, I would go for this strikers line at the moment, I think; Podolski, Giroud, Gervinho.
 
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