Oh okay, I misunderstood it back then or didn't remember correctly now.
No I think I said that I would take WC player like Vidal over pure DM as we aren't going to get Busquets, Mascherano or like of that DM though I'd personally go right now and activate Krychowiak's RC.
Your logic and reasoning there is rediculous by setting a legendary first touch by Ronaldinho as the benchmark of having a good first touch. It's soooo unfair to compare it to Ronaldinho's. Does that mean that player's like Iniesta, Xavi, Silva etc don't have exquisite first touches because they haven't done what Ronaldinho's just done? Let's say that Aguero is a poor finisher because he's never scored from the halfway line.there were 2-3 chances tonight that a top class technically gifted striker would have finished, especially the last one. You overestimate how technically good Giroud is, as Subtle already stated there is acollossal difference between being technically good for a big man and being technically good. Whichever way you want to look at it, the style of play and player Wenger has at his disposal giroud doesn't fit, you also reckon giroud'so first touch is exquisite I'll just leave this here as an example of exquisite first touch
[video=youtube_share;Y_H1BrDeHiY]http://youtu.be/Y_H1BrDeHiY[/video]
You cant really be comparing ronaldinho with anybody let alone giroud. Just take it for what it is that giroud is vastly underrated and is an excellent support striker.
[video=youtube_share;Y_H1BrDeHiY]http://youtu.be/Y_H1BrDeHiY[/video]
Your logic and reasoning there is rediculous by setting a legendary first touch by Ronaldinho as the benchmark of having a good first touch. It's soooo unfair to compare it to Ronaldinho's. Does that mean that player's like Iniesta, Xavi, Silva etc don't have exquisite first touches because they haven't done what Ronaldinho's just done? Let's say that Aguero is a poor finisher because he's never scored from the halfway line.
Hold on a second. Controlling a floater ball like that is easiest thing in the world. Either move your foot down when ball is about to touch, or just let loose of the muscles in your foot. Physics will take of the rest.
Obviously I'm not saying Ronaldinho was ****, but that's probably not best example. This is exquisite touch:
[video=youtube;QhzrUpT2O-4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzrUpT2O-4[/video]
I wasn't directly comparing Ronaldinho to Giroud, I was showing Damola what exquisite first touch is, it either is or it isn't it doesn't matter who it is coming from. I also fail to see how Giroud is vastly underrated, no one is saying he is ****, just that he is decent nothing more nothing less. He has never got past the magic 20 goal mark despite having some pretty creative players behind him and we are saying that he doesn't fit arsenals style given the personal they have as much as a pacey technically gifted striker would. I think tbf that is taking it as it is.
Oh my ******* god, your posts make my eyes bleed, talk about giving an inch and taking a mile. You really need to start thinking about what you write before you post because the above is quite frankly nonsense
I was discussing ball control with a former premier league coach on a residential in the past and we were discussing first touch. From a coaches point of view, the Zidane touch was much better. The Ronaldinho touch could have been done by 99% of high level footballers technically, however what made it special was that he controlled front up to a defender from point blank range. Most players would have done it with their back to the defender to give th em margin for error incase they miscontrol it. Ronaldinho was arrogant enough to do it with no margin for error, from point blank range.Hold on a second. Controlling a floater ball like that is easiest thing in the world. Either move your foot down when ball is about to touch, or just let loose of the muscles in your foot. Physics will take of the rest.
Obviously I'm not saying Ronaldinho was ****, but that's probably not best example. This is exquisite touch:
[video=youtube;QhzrUpT2O-4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzrUpT2O-4[/video]
Those touches you've shown are beyond exquisite in my opinion. It seems we have different interpretations of exquisite. By exquisite, I mean that a players first touch is good enough to keep the ball under control 99 out of 100 times, not whip out a Ronaldinho esque touch out of nowhere.
you our really have no idea what the word exquisite means do you? The ronaldinho esque touch out of nowhere is more akin to exquisite than keeping the ball under control 99 times out of 100, that would be consistent first touch surely?
Oh and for ***** and giggles the oxford dictionary states and I quote "exquisite adjective extremely beautiful and delicate"
I am not normally one to get so pedantic but your previous comment has really annoyed me, but **** it I am tired and at work in 7 hours so I cba no more.
I was discussing ball control with a former premier league coach on a residential in the past and we were discussing first touch. From a coaches point of view, the Zidane touch was much better. The Ronaldinho touch could have been done by 99% of high level footballers technically, however what made it special was that he controlled front up to a defender from point blank range. Most players would have done it with their back to the defender to give th em margin for error incase they miscontrol it. Ronaldinho was arrogant enough to do it with no margin for error, from point blank range.
Zidane's touch would be what most coaches would be looking for. As well as being technically excellent, he's taken the ball away from the defender, buying him more time on the ball to pick out a pass. The best touches are the ones that buy you space and time by taking the ball away from opponents and keeping it under control.
Firstly, I never compared the two in terms of buildup play.
Suarez is obviously the much better player and you are right, they aren't comparable in terms of buildup play because they have very different styles.
They are both creative in their own ways.
In the first half, he hardly received the ball due to poor passing from deep. He was much better in the second half, pinging balls around the area....anyway...
Cech restored faith.
Ozil...non existent this match. Probably show up next match and disappear the following. Pouting, walking, giving away possession, dodeling on the ball...surprised he wasn't subbed. Oxlade deserves his spot.
You said that Giroud isn't creative and at first you were talking broadly. Particularly when high up the pitch, Giroud does drop deep to get involved in buildup. Sometimes, I question whether you've seen Arsenal play much....
But your retort to me saying you needed a Suarez was that you already had the type of striker I was describing. Either he is or he isn't you need to make up your mind.
Which is my point really, the style that Giroud plays really doesn't suit the players you have. You need someone who can either run at players, or drop deep and get involved in buildup. This does not mean heading the ball down or holding it up. They may eventually accomplish the same thing, but that's a crazily reductive line to take.
I think we have vastly different ideas of what creativity is.
The pertinent point out of all this being the exact same thing I said at the start, I don't think his brand of flicks ons and knock downs is the style of bringing others into play that you need. Someone who drops deep, and can then threaten to either dribble or make a killer pass would be much more suited to the way that you play. If it was, you would expect him to be creating a lot more chances.
You said that Giroud isn't creative and at first you were talking broadly. Particularly when high up the pitch, Giroud does drop deep to get involved in buildup. Sometimes, I question whether you've seen Arsenal play much.
http://youtu.be/wz-EaTwqNII
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that creativity? A player that drops deep, dribbles and looks for the killer pass is the last thing that we need. Most of Giroud's creative play aren't even flick ons and knockdowns. It's that he's a very polished player with his feet. We already have sooo many of the player you're describing. We have Alexis, Cazorla, Özil, Wilshere, Rosicky etc. If we were to sign a striker, he would have to be a 'killer striker' as Jose Mourinho calls it. Absolutely ruthless in front of goal.