***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

justified said:
Hello again tbh,

I just wanted to ask your opinion on set peices. I've changed the defending cornors slightly as I prefer to micromanage match on match so I get the most out of my players when defending. At the moment my team is as follows :

GK : Reina (Default)
DR : Kelly (Mark Tall ; he is good in the air so he marks tall. If Johnson plays there I select Man Mark instead)
DCR : Skrtel (Mark Tall)
DCL : Agger (Mark Tall)
DL : Enrique (Near Post)
DMCR : Melo (Far Post)
MCL : Lucas (Man Mark ; Better marking then Enrique)
ML : Yarmolenko (Fwd ; Fast)
AMC : Gerrard (Edge of Box ; Good tackling and passing so he can charge down anyone who tries long shots)
AMR : Belhanda (Close Down Cornor ; So it's harder for cornor taker to get a good cornor in)
FCL : Suarez (Fwd ; Fast)

I've used this set up since start of the season and I've only conceeded 3 from cornors all season. I think this is a good set up and a good alternative if people find their conceeding a lot.

However I wanted to pick your brain regarding your attacking cornors. Currently you've got 4 back, 1 lurk, 1 short, 1 fwd, 1 attack near post, 1 challenge keeper, 1 attack from deep. What was your thinking behind this? Was your striker good in the air? Do you set one of the players who is back as your cornor taker?
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Actually, attacking set pieces is something that I have never cared about getting " right" as in earlier editions of Fm ,doing this destroyed the game. This means that I have never got any good at it and the settings in this tactic is more random.

As one alsways scored too many anyway ( in FM09-Fm12), I never really cared about my defensive either, to even out things a bit.
 
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Aha ok,

I'll explore a bit regarding this then. I'm not looking for an exploit obviously, I'm just looking to maximise the players ability at set pecies :) If I come up with anything I'll give a shout.
 
Hope you don't mind but I've given this a plug on my Everton help thread-it's been very effective in my save in pretty much every department-even with injuries to key players I just had to include it. I have a feeling though I'm going to have to re-write the entire thing now lol
 
ajt09 said:
Hope you don't mind but I've given this a plug on my Everton help thread-it's been very effective in my save in pretty much every department-even with injuries to key players I just had to include it. I have a feeling though I'm going to have to re-write the entire thing now lol
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Thats great ! When looking at your screens, I assume that you are using your own version of this approach, using the same framework and formation but with different mentalities and player settings ?
 
TheBetterHalf said:
Thats great ! When looking at your screens, I assume that you are using your own version of this approach, using the same framework and formation but with different mentalities and player settings ?
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Pretty much yes. I take away the marking of players, but keep the always closing down+hard tackling of key players, but only with the players that I know have good composure and tackling attributes. If they have poor tackling i instruct them to always close down specific players. And (for example) I instruct Leighton Baines to move into channels, Pienaar and Mirallas to cut inside, have Fellaini as CM on a defend role, and the same for other CM (which right now is varied-again due to injuries lol). Then I have Leon Osman in the AM slot, but in an IF role with Jelavic as DLF. Basically my leftside is all out attack, and the RB is defend, due to poor crossing and decision making. Early on before using this the crossing from the right was absolutely appalling.

Since using the template with these instructions, Jelavic has scored more frequently after going 5 games without scoring too.
 
Should also mention that I don't use ANY ingame shouts either. If they have the attributes they can pretty much do things themselves and spot the openings-and it's pretty much worked. Even held Man Utd to a 0-0 draw which is quite something tbh
 
TheBetterHalf said:
The biggest reason I managed to win with Southampton was due to.

- Great man management and coaching of the players
- Being good in picking the squad for each game
- Having an easy schedule in the first 10 matches
- NO other team had a great season

Most of our losses actuially came in the last 4th of the season. Here, we had many matches against much stronger opponenents and as the players where getting really tired, we got worse results against them in these meetings than in the first meeting of the season.
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Thanks - I guess I'll pay more attention to morale, press etc.

One more thing, I seem to dominate and play awesome at home but when I'm away I'm conceding loads and not really getting anywhere. Sorry to bother you:)
What should I do in away games to stop conceding and generally play better? :P
 
Fatal548 said:
Thanks - I guess I'll pay more attention to morale, press etc.

One more thing, I seem to dominate and play awesome at home but when I'm away I'm conceding loads and not really getting anywhere. Sorry to bother you:)
What should I do in away games to stop conceding and generally play better? :P
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Whenever I play away I always have Defensive Positioning as match preperation. Always be positive in press conferences, don't put too much pressure on your team. Team Talks I always choose [Passionately] For the fans and [Calm] Have faith on all players who didn't react. If you're a major underdog I'd say [Cautious] No pressure and then [Calm] You have faith on ALL players, even those who reacted. Don't be afraid to be harsh at halftime, I'm normally very harsh and the reaction is normally really good.

Hope that helps!
 
justified said:
Whenever I play away I always have Defensive Positioning as match preperation. Always be positive in press conferences, don't put too much pressure on your team. Team Talks I always choose [Passionately] For the fans and [Calm] Have faith on all players who didn't react. If you're a major underdog I'd say [Cautious] No pressure and then [Calm] You have faith on ALL players, even those who reacted. Don't be afraid to be harsh at halftime, I'm normally very harsh and the reaction is normally really good.

Hope that helps!
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This is what I do to. I also have a few players that likes and performes better under pressure so here, I tend to calmly expectba performance of them.


Fatal548 said:
Thanks - I guess I'll pay more attention to morale, press etc.

One more thing, I seem to dominate and play awesome at home but when I'm away I'm conceding loads and not really getting anywhere. Sorry to bother you:)
What should I do in away games to stop conceding and generally play better? :P
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As for picking players, I tend to use slightly different players when away from home or rather when facing teams pushing up their team. Here, I look for pace upfront more than anything else. If playing with a top 8 team and doing well, most teams will sit with a low or normal d-line with normal fullbacks but with teams like Southampton, be prepared to take advantage of that the opponent underestimate you
 
Seems to be working at least as well as before, currently 3-0 up against Ajax at half time. The right midfielder seems to be even more effective for some reason.
 
Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but i'm getting alot less possession that before! Still winning games the same as before though, just with less possession.
 
Spikester said:
Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but i'm getting alot less possession that before! Still winning games the same as before though, just with less possession.
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Going to update the game when getting home and start a new save and see where it takes me.
 
TheBetterHalf said:
Going to update the game when getting home and start a new save and see where it takes me.
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I don't think its anything to be too concerned over, like I said i'm still getting same good results. just with a drop in possession.
 
Spikester said:
I don't think its anything to be too concerned over, like I said i'm still getting same good results. just with a drop in possession.
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One small change I probably have to do is to lower the closing down. MInd you, this is just pure speculation from my part as I have not updated the game yet.
 
beeje13 said:
Seems to be working at least as well as before, currently 3-0 up against Ajax at half time. The right midfielder seems to be even more effective for some reason.

Ended up winning 4-0, Ajax had no shots on target:

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Just played my first 45 minutes and my ML ( using the mirrored formation) is running riots :D
 
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