***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

Hey TBH do you still have the 2 classic tactic versions?
 
im having problems with downloading the link. everytime i click on the link, it asks me what programme i should open the file with. was wondering if you could give me some help or advice. cheers
 
Hello i am having some issues with my central midfielders in Empoli.
I am at season 2017/18 and won the serie A title last year and playing an 4-2-3-1 tactic. Direct passing style and zonal marking, the offensiv midfielder is more of a forward then an offensive midfielder.
Last season i played them as defensiv playmaker : View attachment 346269 and ball winnerView attachment 346270
The problem is that Grosso is retiring next summer so this season i have tried to replacing Grosso.
The result is that my midfield collapses and i cant get Cirigliano to deliver, frankly hes next to useless.
The games in the league from Grosso this season is all from the bench late in a game. He got me thou my group in the champions league(about 8 in av.rating and 2 mom in 3 games). The last two seasons he is about 7.7 in av.rating.
The 2 players that are meant to replace Grosso is: View attachment 346273View attachment 346274
I cant get any combination to work, i have tried to change roles and different combinations but i just cant get a good result. I must admit that i am no tactical genius and i dont fully understand the roles for central midfielders.
I really need help and advice on what roles/combinations i should go for if i am to use this tactic and these players.
I do understand that these players are young and inexpirienced but individually they are doing ok and i think they are good enough. And the biggest problem is still my Argentinian . when i look at him he seems good defensively but without Grosso he just crumbles.

Sorry for the bad? grammar.
 
This is my layout


http://i40.tinypic.com/2wnr40y.jpg

I'm using Sunderland and I've given myself some money in the editor.

Signings I made:
Musacchio CB
Dragovic CB
Masilela LB
Illcic AMC
Sow ST
Lazovic AMR/MR
Mkhitaryan DMC/MC/AMC
Henley RB
Fischer AMR/AML/AMC/ST
Hughes MC/AMC

I seem to keep good possession against the teams similar to myself and lower teams but don't get enough CCC, but against the bigger teams I get destroyed in every aspect.

I'm in desperate need of advice as I want my tactic to work!
 
Brilliant thread, I had a read at your 4-3-1-2 tactic with Inter Milan as that is my favourite formation just now but I seem to struggle to make a really good 4-3-1-2 tactic, I don't use shouts as I don't watch my games as I prefer to play on commentary and my laptop isn't the greatest so ats maybe where I am going wrong lol but I did have some good success with Parma but just can't seem to make it great.

I was just wondering do you think this formation is more suited to managing in Italy in Fm as I tried to manage in Spain with my tactic but didn't do too great. Also do you think this formation can work with Man Marking as I hate Zonal Marking in real life and would just prefer to use Man Marking but not sure if this would make the tactic worse?

I am going to try make a successful 4-3-1-2 tactic hopefully before FM14 comes out lol.
 
View attachment 352178Great tactic, using cautious attack (haven't needed the other 3 yet) for my Aston Villa save. 1st season finished 3rd and won the FA Cup. Bent scored 26 in 35 games, Benteke 12 in 10 (fractured his skull on international duty :'() & Will Hughes is immense at MCL. Only thing is I do concede goals at almost 1 a game despite dominating possession. I often finish games with at usually around 58% possession (mid 50's against the big teams) and up to 20-25 shots at goal

2nd season is a bit inconsistent in the league but I'm in the 1st knockout phase of the Champs League (finished 2nd in a group with AC Milan -beat 1-0 at home and won 2-0 away, PSG - Lost 2-1 at home but beat 2-1 away & Atletico Madrid - drew 2-2 at home but beat 2-1 away) got Real Madrid next *gulp*, Semi-Finals of the Capital One Cup. What would you suggest I try to tighten up at the back? My back line is Douglas (beast of a free transfer) & Vlaar at CB, Lowton and Sanchez Mino as WB and Schneiderlin or Y. Sylla as the DM.

I tried dropping the WB's to FB's but that hasn't worked. I don't want to ruin a great tactic by tweaking it too much in fear of ruining it.
 
I've had this tactic in use for 4 seasons in my save. Now been using the "justified tweaks" version this season and it works nicely as well. Last 13 games I've been experimenting and using "overload" and "very fluid" instead of counter/balanced. Seems to be working very well for me. The amount of ccc's and key passes have sky rocketed. In 2nd match with this tweak I beat PSG 7-0 in Paris, haven't scored this many for many YEARS. In most matches scoring 3-5 goals now. I do have crazy good team though, it's year 2024 in my Bradford save, haven't tested with worse players.
 
i tested this with old version and the result was very good. hope you can make new one for the latest version 13.3.3
 

I have been testing these ones and I find them to produce the same football as in FM12. I have only use the Low & High Press versions though



FOOTBALL MANAGER 2012

UPLOADED TACTICS SETS OF 2-4 VERSIONS
-Using the Classic Creator ( not the Wizard), I have made "sets" of tactics, each containing 4 different versions that one should implement all depending as a reaction to what one see on the pitch.


The 451 - Great results with Stoke Underdog / Middleteam

The Narrow Diamond - Top of the Table with Norwich 2011/2012 Underdog / Middleteam

The Deep 442 - EPL winners with Aston Villa 2011/2012 Underdog / Middleteam

The Deep 4231 Underdog / Middleteam

The Wide 42121 - Promotion with Posh, Hudds, Morecambe Underdog / Middleteam

352 - Currently under betatesting MiddleTeam/Top Team

Narrow 4123 - Great results with Stoke and Top Teams Underdog/MiddleTeam/Top Team

Narrow 41221 BOX - Great resulst with Top teams MiddleTeam/Top Team

 
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would the into oblivion work well with Dortmund or which off your other tactics would work with thanks want to do a save with dortmund but in need off a good tactic
 
Hey,

I'm still suffering trying to put together a counter attacking tactic,
I have set up my team as follows
View attachment 357688

My results have been really really poor, winning only 3 games in 10. the team keeps the shape well etc, but just doesnt seem to prevent goals coming in.

Any advice?
 
callamity said:
Hey,

I'm still suffering trying to put together a counter attacking tactic,
I have set up my team as follows
View attachment 357688

My results have been really really poor, winning only 3 games in 10. the team keeps the shape well etc, but just doesnt seem to prevent goals coming in.

Any advice?
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Well, assuming that you have not tweaked anything else apart from the width.

- I would not play with a TM with the supply to head, especially not if focusing the the play throuh the middle. Here, the key lies in the MCs putting balls into channels out wide

- When playing through the middle, why also play narrow within that approach. For me, its better to use the default width here.

- I would strongly suggest using at least one winger instead of 2 wide midfielders. The Mcs are still the focal point of the build up and useing one winger will bring some more dimensions into your play.


- YOu have too few playing moving between the lines. Whilst your TM drops deep ( sometimes) and your deep playmaker sits deep, you have no players stretching the opponenets defence when a counter attack is not on. I would use at least one winger on attack and one fullback on support ( or attack in some matches)


Now, this approach of yours is a direct counter approach and whilst this might be usefull in some matches, you also need to consider what happens when an equal opponent that are really good at defending sits deep and flood the midfield. Will this direct approach through the middle be the correct choice in those matches ?
 
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TheBetterHalf said:
Well, assuming that you have not tweaked anything else apart from the width.

- I would not play with a TM with the supply to head, especially not if focusing the the play throuh the middle. Here, the key lies in the MCs putting balls into channels out wide

- When playing through the middle, why also play narrow within that approach. For me, its better to use the default width here.

- I would strongly suggest using at least one winger instead of 2 wide midfielders. The Mcs are still the focal point of the build up and useing one winger will bring some more dimensions into your play.


- YOu have too few playing moving between the lines. Whilst your TM drops deep ( sometimes) and your deep playmaker sits deep, you have no players stretching the opponenets defence when a counter attack is not on. I would use at least one winger on attack and one fullback on support ( or attack in some matches)


Now, this approach of yours is a direct counter approach and whilst this might be usefull in some matches, you also need to consider what happens when an equal opponent that are really good at defending sits deep and flood the midfield. Will this direct approach through the middle be the correct choice in those matches ?
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Hey thanks for the reply, my reasoning behind the choices you have pointed out above.

- TM supply to head is because of the type of player benteke is, I assumed a direct approach would throw more long balls from deep up to him. Using him to muscle in on the defenders and the poacher to pick up the scraps and hopefully score.

- I have gone narrow to try to make my team more compact and harder to break down. This is purely a defensive choice and one I did consider as counterproductive when going forward.

- I havent opted for wingers as I assumed they would be stuck in redundant space not getting enough of the ball to cause problems, due to the narrow width and play through middle.


- lastly too few players moving between the lines is probably one of the reasons for my epic failure in counter attacking tactics. I made the assumption when the counter was on the defense would already be stretched enough that the attacking players would be in reasonable space, and is something I have to look at. This will explain why I am not getting many real chances in space.


The final thought gives me food for thought on how I will develop the tactic as I improve my squad of players.



Prior to your response I changed the wide mid's and the full backs to automatic. which resulted in some success

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As you can see the results are dramatically inconsistent but changed due to having this tweak, Ultimately though I will look at the wingers and width to see how I can improve the performances.
 
Quang Trinh Hong said:
You have set you AML/AMR as Advanced Playermaker. Can I change them to Winger or Inside Forward
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You can try whatever role you like. Just notice that some of the settings have been tweaked ( like his wide play, runs from deep) so you will have to "untick" those tweaks.
 
callamity said:
Hey thanks for the reply, my reasoning behind the choices you have pointed out above.

1. ) - TM supply to head is because of the type of player benteke is, I assumed a direct approach would throw more long balls from deep up to him. Using him to muscle in on the defenders and the poacher to pick up the scraps and hopefully score.

2.)- I have gone narrow to try to make my team more compact and harder to break down. This is purely a defensive choice and one I did consider as counterproductive when going forward.

3.) - I havent opted for wingers as I assumed they would be stuck in redundant space not getting enough of the ball to cause problems, due to the narrow width and play through middle.


4.) lastly too few players moving between the lines is probably one of the reasons for my epic failure in counter attacking tactics. I made the assumption when the counter was on the defense would already be stretched enough that the attacking players would be in reasonable space, and is something I have to look at. This will explain why I am not getting many real chances in space.


The final thought gives me food for thought on how I will develop the tactic as I improve my squad of players.



Prior to your response I changed the wide mid's and the full backs to automatic. which resulted in some success

View attachment 357727
As you can see the results are dramatically inconsistent but changed due to having this tweak, Ultimately though I will look at the wingers and width to see how I can improve the performances.
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1.) There is nothing wrong with it as such, but its just that your players will look to feed the MCs with the ball and they will have a hard time putting "good" balls onto his head.

2 & 3) Nothing wrong with playing more compact and narrow. Just remember that the focus play is where the team will look for their build up. Here, I find it crucial to constantly monitor the game to see if you need to use more of the field ( here, the width). When your Mcs have the ball and wants to make t-balls, they will try to get them into channels, perhaps behind the fullbacks and here, its better to use more width.

Again, in some matches its better to play more compact but in some matches, like home to wigan etc, its better to use more of the width and this is where you will find the space and will by doing this be able to stretch their team

4.) yes probably. Remember that whilst the Counter strategy makes your team more eager to hit the opp on the break ( risk & reward kind of thing), most of the times, they will actually play "normal" football.
 
After taking on board what we discussed i decided to move my wide midfielders forward and play a 4222 formation, left wing attack and right wing support, I then kept my narrow play but removed the play through middle, it has bumped me up to 9th and darren bent is now the top scorer in the league xD

we also managed to pull this out the bag
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Thanks for the help :)
 
thekidvn said:
i tested this with old version and the result was very good. hope you can make new one for the latest version 13.3.3
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I am currently testing a new version and so far its been really, really good. The approach is the same and it comes one with more version that is to be used when wanting to play more compact and cautious( and that version is also to be used when down to 10 men)

So far, I have tested it with My Top team Forest, Liverpool, Charlton. Going to test it with Aston Villa and York before re-writing the opening post and uploading the tactics.
 
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