***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

splithead1950 said:
what about the pitch dimension? any particular or is it unimportant?
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If you play in a league where you have the choice of using highly different pitch sizes, then just do what you would have done in real life.
If you have slow defenders, then use a shorter pitch. If you at likely to face really cautious opponents, then a bigger pitch is better. If you have players with great speed, then use a longer, if your DMC/MC/AMC lacks agility and strength, then use a wider pitch to make sure the middle is not so contested.


As this is not a " tactic file " but an approach, there are no easy answers.
 
havanaclue said:
What pitch size do you use with this tactic ? Or doesn't it matter ?
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If you play in a league where you have the choice of using highly different pitch sizes, then just do what you would have done in real life.
If you have slow defenders, then use a shorter pitch. If you at likely to face really cautious opponents, then a bigger pitch is better. If you have players with great speed, then use a longer, if your DMC/MC/AMC lacks agility and strength, then use a wider pitch to make sure the middle is not so contested.




As this is not a " tactic file " but an approach, there are no easy answers.
 
Hi TBH
I'm a little bit confused about mcl and mcr function
Let's say i'm using real madrid and plan to use alonso and khedira
Which one i slot to mcl and which one i slot to mcr?
With the latest revision, i take it the mcl is defend and mcl is support, so i use khedira as mcl and alonso as mcr right? But in the explanation, and in 4231 deep, the mcr is supposed to be box to box midfielder and the mcl is the deep lying playmaker, which is the other way around in my previous alonso-khedira case
Please advise
Thanks :)
 
wirawan1234 said:
Hi TBH
I'm a little bit confused about mcl and mcr function
Let's say i'm using real madrid and plan to use alonso and khedira
Which one i slot to mcl and which one i slot to mcr?
With the latest revision, i take it the mcl is defend and mcl is support, so i use khedira as mcl and alonso as mcr right? But in the explanation, and in 4231 deep, the mcr is supposed to be box to box midfielder and the mcl is the deep lying playmaker, which is the other way around in my previous alonso-khedira case
Please advise
Thanks :)
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As in the OP, its not about their roles as such, but as I have described how I use them in The different approaches.

You use a more Cautious Deeper Playmaker in the Left spot.
- Look at his stats for this role, not the role he does the best. This player sits deeper in most versions

You use a more Complete Box2Box player in the Right spot
- This mean that he should be more complete, not that his best role should be B2B. This player gets forward more often, hence he needs to be better in final third than his partner.


Lets say you play with Man U. Here, you would have used Carrick in the Left and Fletcher to the right.
 
TBF I was expecting the best tactic from you for Fm2013 but you made fewer tactics and I still follow your TBFfreeforums and Why Knap doesn't make a new tactic Do you know?
 
Dantes7 said:
TBF I was expecting the best tactic from you for Fm2013 but you made fewer tactics and I still follow your TBFfreeforums and Why Knap doesn't make a new tactic Do you know?
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I thing I have actually made more tactics for FM13 than for FM12 and most of the tactics from FM12 still holds ground in FM13. My own little hobby forum is not working as intended( problems with My login, being a " free forum", I did not expect it to work any better either so only look at FMBase in the future). As for Knap, I have not heard from him for a while.
 
****The Compact Box*** A Flat 442 by TBH


The Compact Box

A Flat 442 by TBH
( at the bottom, there is also a Flat 4411 and one 4411 with AML)



The Approach
In this Tactic, I have decided to try a system I used in FM08. Back then, Mentality systems like the Rule of One, Rule of Two, Bands of Two, and Global Mentality etc were popular and to this day, they are still used but now, they are implemented into the mentality system of the Very Fluid, Very Rigid etc.

The System I used to make sure that the teams played as fluid as possible was not the Global Mentality System where everybody had the same mentality, but a reversed Rule of 2 or 5. This means that the Defenders are on the highest of mentality and the Forwards on the lowest in relation to each other. The point of this system is to create a really compact team when defending as the lower the mentality, the lower starting point within his position, the more focus the players will put into their defensive duties, here meaning that the Wingers and Attackers will track back more. The only exception here is that I use on Forward on a high mentality, a player that don’t move forward but instead acts like a False Nine.

When launching an attack, the team will either use a patient build up using this mentality system…or.. Launching a Counter attack that will trigger the mentality of the players to get to the highest. This means that we here have a SPLIT Mentality system where the attackers and wingers both track back, uses overlaps and triangles in the patient build up as well as getting forward in quick attacks.

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The Formation and Tactic
In this Tactic, we focus the buildup down the flanks in a Flat 442. We look to get the ball forward more quickly. Whilst this normally calls for a more direct passing game, we can use a mixed one here as the team will be compact enough. As I want the formation to be more compact in relation to the buildup being focused down the flank, we use less width.

This not only means that the wingers will be closer to the Central Mids., but also that the wingers have a better chance of going both outside and inside their marker when trying to beat their man. In a Narrow 4321 focusing the play through the middle, I would probably have used more width so the middle of the pitch would not get congested


The Players
Looking at the roles, they are actually rather spot on to how the game describes them so the major stats needed can be looked up in the Tactic Creator. Just remember that since this is an Ultra Fluid approach in terms of duties, the team will benefit from having more complete players( BBM, s DR/MR players) rather than specialists ( like really quick but weak wingers, really tough MCs with wooden legs etc)

Looking at the Forwards, its not important to actually have a brilliant Trequartista in the FCleft position. A strong but mobile Target Man that likes to come deep works just as well without having to chnage his settings. The key here is just that he is the most advanced player that drags the opponenst onto him when linking up with play rather than just bursting forward.

When picking the lineup, I always take the opposition into account. If facing a hard opponent away, then I always consider using quicker players upfront to exploit their high d-line( think Chicarito) and perhaps use more Defensive Wingers out wide ( think those DR/MR(AMR, Valencia etc). When facing weaker opponenst at home, then I can go for more flair out wide ( think Nani) and more complete FCs ( Rooney)




Results
I have not tried this tactic much at all. IN fact, I have only used it for about 20 matches all together. In the end, this is actually enough for me these days as I can spot the pros and cons within a tactic only after a few games.

Target Man & Playmaker
None, but if you have player that is outstanding for the league you play in, then use him in as one. ( DLP as Playmaker and/or the Trequartista as the Target Man( feet)

Training & Match Prep
The training in itself has nothing to do with it and the match prep is something you chose( or not chose) to prepare for a specific game.

Pitch Size
I never actually touch this feature

Opposition Instructions
It’s more to do with the dangermen, how the opponents play and your players skills and the tactic itself does not rely on these instructions changing the settings for the better.

Can this Approach be used within all formations ?
In theory yes, but I have not tried it. Not in FM08/09, not in FM113


Download
The Compact Box - A Flat 442 by TBH - Downloads - Football Manager 2013 Tactics, Wonderkids & Cheats





EXTRA
a 4411 version is included as an attachment. The flow is the same, but we use a False 9 in FC and a False 10 in AMC​
 
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Spikester said:
Interesting stuff TBH, what results have you had?
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The results have been really good in those 20 matches I have used it in. As this is an ultra Fluid approach, you do need players being able to both defend and contribute to the attacking phase. If using this with a really poor side, then you are more likely to get better results with a Rigid system( i.e NOT this approach at all)
 
Awwwwwwwww ive just realised this thread was up!! been waiting on this :) ill try it out straight away and let you know how it goes. Im going to test it with liverpool as ive found with some tactics even my own they are very hard to get the best out of. Mayb just me but thats wot i think lol (Hope your not exploiting the game now) :P only joking ;)
 
SicSyco said:
Awwwwwwwww ive just realised this thread was up!! been waiting on this :) ill try it out straight away and let you know how it goes. Im going to test it with liverpool as ive found with some tactics even my own they are very hard to get the best out of. Mayb just me but thats wot i think lol
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Its only been up for 40 minutes :D Looking forwards to seing your results. Just remember to have realistic expectations with Pool as I can think of at least 7 other teams that have better squads. Looking at the squad in relation to this approach, they are probably only to be considered as a middleteam. ( the attacking players not really being good enough defensivly)
 
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TheBetterHalf said:
Its only been up for 40 minutes :D Looking forwards to seing your results. Just remember to have realistic expectations with Pool as I can think of at least 7 other teams that have better squads.
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No no i know that and i dont use them thinking they are a top team wot so ever and thats part of reason i feel like using them if i can get it to work with them should be a good tactic :)
 
SicSyco said:
No no i know that and i dont use them thinking they are a top team wot so ever and thats part of reason i feel like using them if i can get it to work with them should be a good tactic :)
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What databas are you going to use ? ( thinking about starting one up with them to)
 
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