***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

TheBetterHalf said:
Haha ok. I thought you where struggling :) naturally, you Will have à slump Of form. Its not the tactic failling you.
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ahh right so i should beat my team up till they play well? :P

ive noticed the team take alot of longshots personally im not a fan of longshots is it needed to make the tactic work?
 
Maffayoo said:
ahh right so i should beat my team up till they play well? :P

ive noticed the team take alot of longshots personally im not a fan of longshots is it needed to make the tactic work?
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The players take them as à last option, so no they are not needed.

As for the slump Of form, how much have you rotades the squad prior to december. With à really tight schedule, you need fit players and if those lack match practice, then one struggles.
 
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TheBetterHalf said:
The players take them as à last option, so no they are not needed.

As for the slump Of form, how much have you rotades the squad prior to december. With à really tight schedule, you need fit players and if those lack match practice, then one struggles.
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I tend to play lukaku every fa cup/league cup and played him after i qualified for CL

I swap players most of the time apart from malouda as i had no winger due to injuries... I did just beat blackburn 4-0 i have brought in 4 players in january

Vrsaljko Hummels Marin and Barrios

will see how it goes
 
I played with this tactic a half season with my medium polish team, and the results is average. My first sparing match was good but not very good, my team score a lot of goal with corner, but my defense was very weak, results 3:4, 3:6 for my opponent, the worst part is that my rival not shout any goals for corner, I try chance something with defence line, offside trap, and player instruction, but it don't change too many. I will post the screen of my game, but I don't know how to do that (Im weak with computer case). I have a request for http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/users/43356/U TheBetterHalf... in 12.1 patch I played my game with 4-2-3-1 Quickmaster tactic (made by HenryLegend), for me it was the best tactic in 12.1, can U look at this tactic and tweak it to 12.2 patch? Im not good with this so I have this request to U.http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/users/355697/ [h=3][/h]
 
rizane said:
I played with this tactic a half season with my medium polish team, and the results is average. My first sparing match was good but not very good, my team score a lot of goal with corner, but my defense was very weak, results 3:4, 3:6 for my opponent, the worst part is that my rival not shout any goals for corner, I try chance something with defence line, offside trap, and player instruction, but it don't change too many. I will post the screen of my game, but I don't know how to do that (Im weak with computer case). I have a request for http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/users/43356/U TheBetterHalf... in 12.1 patch I played my game with 4-2-3-1 Quickmaster tactic (made by HenryLegend), for me it was the best tactic in 12.1, can U look at this tactic and tweak it to 12.2 patch? Im not good with this so I have this request to U.http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/users/355697/ [h=3][/h]
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Not surprised by your results. As written, the tactic is for topteams and your defense ( and the defensive skills) are just not good enough. As for tweaking this Quickmaster, I would need your save to make it fit you and unfortunatly, I dont have that time. If you want to try à middleteam/underdog tactic that is good, then click the download link in the OP and look at the new version(s) Of the 'Wide 4221'.
 
rizane said:
I played with this tactic a half season with my medium polish team, and the results is average. My first sparing match was good but not very good, my team score a lot of goal with corner, but my defense was very weak, results 3:4, 3:6 for my opponent, the worst part is that my rival not shout any goals for corner, I try chance something with defence line, offside trap, and player instruction, but it don't change too many. I will post the screen of my game, but I don't know how to do that (Im weak with computer case). I have a request for http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/users/43356/U TheBetterHalf... in 12.1 patch I played my game with 4-2-3-1 Quickmaster tactic (made by HenryLegend), for me it was the best tactic in 12.1, can U look at this tactic and tweak it to 12.2 patch? Im not good with this so I have this request to U.http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/users/355697/ [h=3][/h]
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Not surprised by your results. As written, the tactic is for topteams and your defense ( and the defensive skills) are just not good enough. As for tweaking this Quickmaster, I would need your save to make it fit you and unfortunatly, I dont have that time. If you want to try à middleteam/underdog tactic that is good, then click the download link in the OP and look at the new version(s) Of the 'Wide 4221'.
 
TheBetterHalf said:
Not surprised by your results. As written, the tactic is for topteams and your defense ( and the defensive skills) are just not good enough. As for tweaking this Quickmaster, I would need your save to make it fit you and unfortunatly, I dont have that time. If you want to try à middleteam/underdog tactic that is good, then click the download link in the OP and look at the new version(s) Of the 'Wide 4221'.
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'Wide 4221'? Im looking for it but I dont find it... Can U give me the nick of creator or full topic of this thread?
 
rizane said:
'Wide 4221'? Im looking for it but I dont find it... Can U give me the nick of creator or full topic of this thread?
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Naturally, I meant the Wide 42121, its found where you downloaded this one. ( called direct counter) The nick of the creator of the originall tactic "Sumthins 4231" is Akash777
 
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TheBetterHalf said:
Naturally, I meant the Wide 42121, its found where you downloaded this one. ( called direct counter) The nick of the creator of the originall tactic "Sumthins 4231" is Akash777
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I tried it, but no fireworks... even in the middle as good as quickmaster in 12.1... I know, Im whine but quickmaster is in another level than another 4-2-3-1 tactic...
 
rizane said:
I tried it, but no fireworks... even in the middle as good as quickmaster in 12.1... I know, Im whine but quickmaster is in another level than another 4-2-3-1 tactic...
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Well, those tactics I suggested are not 4231 so... :D. Just remember that as the game gets patched, prevouis flaws have been detected and fixed so there are less holes for the user to exploit. If the tactic was so good before but has stopped working now, then the tactic was not good in it self, but just exploited the match engine, just ´like this one does to a certain level
 
into my second season and I feel teams are adapted to the formation and it is not as affective:/

any suggestions on what I can do?
 
TheBetterHalf said:
At this level, its better to keep it simple. To get this discussion going, lets get more facts down on the table. Are you intending to use the TC and tweak´lots of sliders, use the pure TC settings ( and being able to use shouts) or use classic mode ?

Cheers
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Only just noticed this, weird I didn't get a notification through. I don't quite know what the 'TC' means but basically I customise all of my players to try and suit their strengths well so basically player roles are null and void (I can label someone a midfielder attack and then change half of their sliders manually). I don't use shouts, so in other words rather than keeping it simple... it looks as complicated as possible lol. Worked well with Spurs... but then again the top attributes for those players were in the 16-20 range... here I'm lucky if I find a player with 13 on an attribute.
 
Maffayoo said:
into my second season and I feel teams are adapted to the formation and it is not as affective:/

any suggestions on what I can do?
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Teams Dont adapt to your formation and as you are Chelsea, teams should not consider you à bigger threat ( playing more defensive) this season since you have always been à big threat.

My point is that its down to man management, getting your player motivated for another season Of succés.
 
Nothing short of amazing, using it in my united save with Rooney amc :)
 
Underdog/MiddleTeam Tactic -* Nr1 - The Wide 42121 - Promotion with Posh, Morecambe


TheBetterHalfs Underdog/small team

The Direct Counter
Wide 42121

Abstract

People that have read my most in
recent years know that I have moved away form using plug & play tactic,
tactics that by tweaking sliders in a trial & error manor with the aim to
beat the match engine rather than the opponent. So this might come as a slight
surprise, being a thread where I not only upload such a tactic, but also that I
have used someone else's work as a framework ( Akash777)

( so a big credit to AKASH777)


The
Versions

This small set consist of 3 versions that are to be used as plug & play tactics. The first version is called "High Press", the 2nd "Lower press" and the 3rd " Patient Stretching". Playing as an underdog, the main versions are the pressing ones. If you feel that you have the ability to disturb the opponent by putting a **** of a lot more pressure on them, then use the high press and if you are more scared that you might be dragged out of position by this superior team, then use the lower press version

If playing at the top level or just under it, even as an underdog you will come across teams that you are superior
to. Then, you can use the "patient stretch" version as an alternative


Formation & Team settings


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The flow
using Underdogs

As soon as a counter attack is launched, we keep a direct
game and channel t-balls from the middle onto the flanks for our 3 attacking
players to tun onto. Our single MC keeps a restricted game but he is supported
by 2 more attacking minded DMCs that always seeks free space. When our fullbacks
get into possession deep down field, they hold on to the ball to drag the
opposition onto them.This means that if we face a tea sitting deep and defend,
our attacking players are likely to make a run forward in vain and the FBs hold
onto the ball, making these attacking players easy to mark as the opposition
simply denies us space to play these direct t-balls into. This is why this
approach is for underdogs and perhaps middle teams.

The flow using better
teams/ top teams

It does work for top teams to, don't get me wrong. You
would easily win the league with Man U, Man C but the flow wont look as good as
playing a different approach and you will see more 1-0, 2-1 wins instead of 3-0.
5-1 etc. Simply put, there is no reason to use it unless you like being in agony
over those longshots

The Result

First
save

Peterborough-2011/2012 CCC - 6th, promotion after beating Reading
and Forest in the playoffs
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Second save - some club hopping testing
the tactic. All clubs using a new manager with Sunday League rep.

Hudds 2011/2012 League One -1st,Easy promotion, used the hassle version mostly and at
the end of the season, the patient stretch.

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Morecambe 2012/13 - 1st,
Promotion from the League Two

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Walsall 2013/14 - 3rd, missed out in the
playoffs League One
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The players



All players:
Determination, Team Work, Work rate and Decision
Also notice that I have not
brought the "common sense stats" in any of the players beneath, like finishing
for the strikers or passing for all players etc.

Fullbacks
Style of play
When not launching an counter attack, they should stay back so no
ppms like " get forward" etc. These player act like holding players and when
seeing fit, they will try to beat their man
Stats
Here, we are looking for pace, anticipation, positioning, stamina and tackling. Dribbling is a huge plus
to.


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Central Defenders
Style of play
As we use loose zonal marking, make sure that they don't have the ppm " like to
tight mark"
Stats:
The normal ones: Remember that Anticipation are crucial
for any top team and that pace is needed if the opponent launches balls over the
top of the defenders. Remember that the worse concentration they have, the more
likely you are to concede late in games and when you are dominating but not
scoring yourself


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DMC´´S - Deep & Roaming
Box To Box Midfielders, hardworking
Style of play
Here we use 2 deep
BBM´s that roam to seek free space. The left is the more creative with higher
flair and decision stats.
Stats
Stamina, Strength, anticipation, tackling,
Concentration

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MC - The Ballwinner
Style of play
Here we use a more limited MC that is used mainly as a ballwinner.
He keeps a much shorter passing game and does not look to play a direct ball but
instead wait for the DMCs to get forward
Stats
Stamina, Strength, anticipation,
tackling, Concentration
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AMR/LWingers - Complete Wingforwards
Style of play:
As the wingers are used as both pacey Wingforwards AND defensive
hardworking wingers, its naturally COMPLETE players that will do the best of
job. But as these players are really hard to find, I crucial that they most of
all are physical classic English Wingers, that they know how to close down and
tackle. Inverted wingers ?. Well why not, the more clinical finisher the
better
Stats
Pace, off the ball,flair, crossing

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Forward - The Pacey Poacher
Style of play:
This is the main goalscorer. He
needs to be able to find space, break free from his marker by dribbling past
him. When he moves down the line into channels, its also good if he has good
team work stat so he cross the ball to a tam mate instead of taking the poor
angle. At higher level, this player can actually be a player like Tevez or
Aguero, RVP, a player that likes to come deep to get the ball
Stats:
Off the all, Flair, Agility, First touch, Technique



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Tweaks and Shouts
As its a plug
& play Tactic using classic mode, I use no tweaks and shouts are enabled

Opposition instruction
I have not used any at all but feel free to
use them in a manor that suit the actual formation. ( i.e NOT showing MR/L
wingers inside if they use overlaping fullbacks

Playmaker & Target
Man
None is used


Match prep
There is no focus area that i
crucial for the flow of the tactic. If you face a team that are great at set
pieces and might focus on attacking set pieces as their only chance, use
defensive set pieces. If up against a team you know are going to play really
deep and compact BUT have poor attackers, then use attacking movement. If up
against a team with really pacey and agile FCs, then use defensive positioning
etc etc. Naturally, I use Team Work on a heavy workload in preseason but
remember that when using a focus area that relates to the match plan ( like def
positioning), the workload have no impact what so ever.

Pitch Size
Looking at the tactic and the circumstance, and you will see the
following

•-Close down heavily: Meaning that the bigger pitch, in theory
the bigger area to close down. So teams with players lacking in stamina would
prefer a smaller pitch.

•Focus the play through the middle: If the pitch
is really short, there will be congestion in the middle will struggle to find
space.

•- Its a tactic for underdogs, hence opponents are likely to push
up and use the width or the field, : Here, a really wide pitch means that these
quality players will get too much space

•- The deep d-line and the balls
into channels - AS we play a deep d-line, we can actually use a long pitch and
as we play a more direct game, putting those t-balls into channels, we would
benefit from this long pitch in our attacks to. That is if our 3 attacking
players does have great pace and good stamina

So, in short, I would go
for a Longer but more narrow pitch


DOWNLOAD LINK
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=6641



Some more results

TEST WITH A STRUGGLING POOL
Although the tactic is mainly for underdogs, I decided to use it on a struggling Liverpool side that had just sacked their manager. I took over just before the Arsenal game and obviously the results below the white line is using this tactic. The High Press version was used in all matches

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My other Underdog Tactics

Underdog/MiddleTeam Tactic -* Nr1 - The Wide 42121 - Promotion with Posh, Morecambe

Underdog/MiddleTeam Tactic -* Nr2* - The Deep 4231 -***Beta Version***

Underdog/MiddleTeam Tactic -* Nr3* - The Deep 442 -***Beta Version***

Underdog/MiddleTeam Tactic -* Nr4* -Narrow Diamo -***Beta Version

Underdog/MiddleTeam Tactic -* Nr5* - The 451 -***Beta Version***



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