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Huh? I don't think anybody actually denies that Wenger has done a fantastic job in keeping Arsenal in the CL (barely so at times) which Jose actually somewhat acknowledges while taking a subtle dig at his lack of trophies which say what you want is still pretty damning against him

Oh and I will be really happy if he pays 40 million for Draxler ... It's a great way to overpay massively and throw all the hard work of previous seasons away

How exactly? FYI, Arsenal and ManUtd and spend huge without thinking about FFP.
 
How exactly? FYI, Arsenal and ManUtd and spend huge without thinking about FFP.

Just because you can comply with the FFP doesn't mean you just go around overspending on any player just because you can ...
 
Oh and I will be really happy if he pays 40 million for Draxler ... It's a great way to overpay massively and throw all the hard work of previous seasons away

Sure, maybe overpaying, but frankly speaking, nobody is even going to look at that if Draxler is successful for Arsenal. Besides, for younger players, you have to overpay. If either we or you get Luke Shaw, we'd still be over-paying for him, considering he's still 18, and hasn't yet proven himself in Europe. Comparitively, Draxler has played in the Champions League, and Wenger has a better history of moulding wingers into strikers (Henry, van Persie), and of developing young talent in general. So, throwing all the hard work of previous seasons away would be a bit of a stretch.
 
Just because you can comply with the FFP doesn't mean you just go around overspending on any player just because you can ...

That may sound a bit hypocritical coming from the same club which spent on Schevchenko and Torres. Or it may be from bitter experience. But either ways, if the move is successful, nobody's even gonna care. If it isn't, then everyone is going to harp about it (case in example, me).

Frankly, the only club which can lecture other clubs for overspending, while not sounding too hypocritical are Liverpool, maybe. But they are too stubborn, and tend to lose their targets, so it's a double-edged sword, lol. A bit dumb move, anyhow. They've probably learnt their lessons from the Dalgish era.
 
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Sure, maybe overpaying, but frankly speaking, nobody is even going to look at that if Draxler is successful for Arsenal. Besides, for younger players, you have to overpay. If either we or you get Luke Shaw, we'd still be over-paying for him, considering he's still 18, and hasn't yet proven himself in Europe. Comparitively, Draxler has played in the Champions League, and Wenger has a better history of moulding wingers into strikers (Henry, van Persie), and of developing young talent in general. So, throwing all the hard work of previous seasons away would be a bit of a stretch.

Oh I completely understand that you have to overpay at times ... I was just pointing out that 40 million for Draxler is beyond ridiculous. That's more than the amount Chelsea payed for Hazard and he had every major club in Europe on his tails. **** that's more than the amount United paid for Mata

And once you start shelling out 40m for players like Draxler, it leads to a domino effect where selling clubs know they can get higher transfer fees from Arsenal and it all adds up in the end
 
That may sound a bit hypocritical coming from the same club which spent on Schevchenko and Torres. Or it may be from bitter experience. But either ways, if the move is successful, nobody's even gonna care. If it isn't, then everyone is going to harp about it (case in example, me).

Frankly, the only club which can lecture other clubs for overspending, while not sounding too hypocritical are Liverpool, maybe. But they are too stubborn, and tend to lose their targets, so it's a double-edged sword, lol. A bit dumb move, anyhow. They've probably learnt their lessons from the Dalgish era.

Yeah well Arsenal can pay 80 million for Draxler and if he does well, the fans won't care but it will still show up in the accounts at the end of the day. Plus it's kind of unfair to say that I can't speak out against 'overspending' because I am a Chelsea fan. Me and Chelsea FC are two entirely seperate entities so I don't see why any actions taken by the club should have any bearing on my own personal beliefs
 
Oh I completely understand that you have to overpay at times ... I was just pointing out that 40 million for Draxler is beyond ridiculous. That's more than the amount Chelsea payed for Hazard and he had every major club in Europe on his tails. **** that's more than the amount United paid for Mata

And once you start shelling out 40m for players like Draxler, it leads to a domino effect where selling clubs know they can get higher transfer fees from Arsenal and it all adds up in the end

Pretty sure they only bid 25mil for Draxler not 40.
 
Yeah well Arsenal can pay 80 million for Draxler and if he does well, the fans won't care but it will still show up in the accounts at the end of the day. Plus it's kind of unfair to say that I can't speak out against 'overspending' because I am a Chelsea fan. Me and Chelsea FC are two entirely seperate entities so I don't see why any actions taken by the club should have any bearing on my own personal beliefs

Naw, lol, don't take it personally. I consider Chelsea fans to be pretty much part of the club, like how I consider us to be the same. I wasn't referring to you speaking out, I was making that point in reference to your club.
 
Pretty sure they only bid 25mil for Draxler not 40.

Wasn't actually referring to Arsenal's actual bid ... Only mentioned the sum because Sunil was saying how Arsenal can pay 40 million for Draxler
 
Naw, lol, don't take it personally. I consider Chelsea fans to be pretty much part of the club, like how I consider us to be the same. I wasn't referring to you speaking out, I was making that point in reference to your club.

Ah well fair enough ... When it comes to 'overspending', you can pretty much consider Chelsea the epitome of this horrendous habit
 
Oh I completely understand that you have to overpay at times ... I was just pointing out that 40 million for Draxler is beyond ridiculous. That's more than the amount Chelsea payed for Hazard and he had every major club in Europe on his tails. **** that's more than the amount United paid for Mata

And once you start shelling out 40m for players like Draxler, it leads to a domino effect where selling clubs know they can get higher transfer fees from Arsenal and it all adds up in the end

I'm not so sure the domino effect will hold true. It's be similar to stating something like every United player will get Rooney's agent to be their negotiator, since he got him a steal of a deal (based on what a lot of people seem to be stating, unfairly, I believe). Or that other clubs will expect United to pay over the top because we paid a reasonably high amount for Mata (I'm drawing analogies, so the differences between Draxler, Mata, Rooney, proven, established etc can be set aside, atm).

Draxler was a priority target, I believe, so paying over the top, or essentially, activating his release clause(?) need not necessarily create a domino effect.
 
Wasn't actually referring to Arsenal's actual bid ... Only mentioned the sum because Sunil was saying how Arsenal can pay 40 million for Draxler

Ah my bad, looked right past that bit, only saw the 40mil for Ozil.

Don't see them signing Draxler this window anyway unless they increase the bid by a fair bit, doubt they'll want to let him go for 25mil when they can just hold out for more.
 
Ah my bad, looked right past that bit, only saw the 40mil for Ozil.

Don't see them signing Draxler this window anyway unless they increase the bid by a fair bit, doubt they'll want to let him go for 25mil when they can just hold out for more.

Reports stated that Wenger is trying to get Morata on loan, if he can't get Draxler this window.
 
Ah my bad, looked right past that bit, only saw the 40mil for Ozil.

Don't see them signing Draxler this window anyway unless they increase the bid by a fair bit, doubt they'll want to let him go for 25mil when they can just hold out for more.

Completely agree, makes more sense to shop him around in the summer
 
He said before window started that things are likely to happen late if at all.

What happened to the Berbatov link though mate? Thought he would have been a good signing mid-season tbh. Proven quality and won't need to settle or anything in the EPL
 
Wenger playing it right to deadline day this transfer window as well it seems

Well, they're the ones most likely to do business amongst the top clubs. You guys have your team set for this season, Liverpool will finish the Ukraine wingers move soon (Can't recall his name), we'll probably get what targets we want in the summer. Arsenal desperately need a striker to backup Giroud, and I don't really think Bendtner is a good enough option, so yeah, they're the ones most likely to make a move late on.
 
What happened to the Berbatov link though mate? Thought he would have been a good signing mid-season tbh. Proven quality and won't need to settle or anything in the EPL

Yeah wouldn't have minded him even though he's former Tottenham & Utd. Better 2nd option than Bendtner for sure. I think it was his agent throwing Arsenal around to encourage other clubs ( Tottenham ) to sign him. Heard he might be returning to Spurs now so he might have succeeded.
 
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