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Mike. said:
It makes them a very dangerous cup side (as shown), but weaker in the league, as consistency is king. We saw it last season, sweep aside one team, crumble against the next. They really need some consistentcy performers to glue things together
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Given the league form in 2016 through to when we started mailing it in and playing the 'B' side every other week the last 6 games, it's pretty much 6 and 2 threes. Without the Europa run, I have little doubt we'd of finished at least 5th last year, if not in the top 4. We only finished 6 points outside of 4th as it was and that was with only 1 win the last 5 when everything went on Europe.

From the first half of the year, there was big upturn in both goals scored and consistency the second half of the season. Going off memory but I think up until the Newcastle game when we jacked the league in with 5 to go, we sat 4th in points taken from when he took over.

It got better the longer they worked together.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Well, bar LB and a controlling midfielder/ DM, this is the strongest squad we've had across the board for me since probably the last treble winning season under Houllier in 2001. I think what you'll see is the back 4 more or less remaining the same most every game, with probably Can guaranteed in front of them. But it's the multitude of options in the attacking positions that really excite the **** out of you and where I can see changes be it down to fatigue, the opposition, injury et all. So to play on your point above, let's say Phil has been in for 3 or 4 straight games and his 'explosiveness' drops, then he'll be switched out for a few games for someone who is right up there fitness wise ready to give that.

The kicker for the first couple of months at least is Karius breaking his hand. We've now gone from the second best 'keeper the Bundesliga last year behind Neur (as voted for by his fellow professionals), to the single worst long term goalkeeper I've ever seen in red back in nets. All through a spell of Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea away and last years champs Leicester and United home.

He's the wildcard through a mega tough start to the whole year as no matter how well everyone else plays, you can't legislate for his inevitable f-ups every game. Just praying the pressure on him for the first time from Karius that this could be his last spell in our goals has made him up his game.

The f-up against Roma wasn't a promising start.
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Yeah the bolded part was what I was thinking, and that will be the key Klopp timing the rotation if he can do that youll be fine its just not easy or simple to do but that is why he is paid the big bucks and I am still playing FM (well not so much these days)

I mean given what Leicester did last year you cant rule any of the top 6 or so sides out, especially given the amount of managerial changes and transfers into the league. I think this year whoever starts best will probably win it
 
zzeezzy said:
To me it just sounds like it will all end in tears and the bridges will burn quickly (the seemingly loving relationship between fans/board and Klopp) when he doesn't live up to the weight of expectation and faith you have put in him. You have admitted you expect to be challenging for the title this season so I think that can straight away confirm the expectation is huge for the short term, forget long term for now.....
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I would direct you toward both Mainz and Dortmund to suggest that isn't in any real fear of happening anytime soon.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I would direct you toward both Mainz and Dortmund to suggest that isn't in any real fear of happening anytime soon.
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If we are here next year and you've finished 5th/6th/7th or lower I highly doubt you will feel the same. You know as well as anyone that the modern game is about results and you need some kind of short term success to build the longer term upon.
 
zzeezzy said:
If we are here next year and you've finished 5th/6th/7th or lower I highly doubt you will feel the same. You know as well as anyone that the modern game is about results and you need some kind of short term success to build the longer term upon.
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We'll be massively disappointed. But they'll be very few if any calling for his head. That's now how we are or ever have been as a fanbase regardless. As bad as it got under Hodgson and Rodgers, the worst that ever manifested itself into was booing the end of games the back end of both tenures. There's a BIG distinction to what's said on social media/ the internet to people within the City or those who actually go the games. We've always been different to most other set's of supporters that way and prided ourselves on that.

We know how low we've fallen. We know how big a climb it is to get back up there. And we know this is a long term project where they'll be inevitable dips along the way. And the owners understand that or else I seriously doubt they'd of made that commit in him. Just because I'm very confident of a serious challenge this year don't mistake that for if that doesn't happen, I'll be leaping off the edge.

We're in this together for the long haul. Good or bad.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
We'll be massively disappointed. But they'll be very few if any calling for his head. That's now how we are or ever have been as a fanbase regardless. As bad as it got under Hodgson and Rodgers, the worst that ever manifested itself into was booing the end of games the back end of both tenures. There's a BIG distinction to what's said on social media/ the internet to people within the City or those who actually go the games. We've always been different to most other set's of supporters that way and prided ourselves on that.

We know how low we've fallen. We know how big a climb it is to get back up there. And we know this is a long term project where they'll be inevitable dips along the way. And the owners understand that or else I seriously doubt they'd of made that commit in him. Just because I'm very confident of a serious challenge this year don't mistake that for if that doesn't happen, I'll be leaping off the edge.

We're in this together for the long haul. Good or bad.
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Fair play if that is really going to be the Liverpool attitude, even if Klopp becomes a flop this season in front of the kop and doesn't get the chop I can only admire that. But we'll wait and see, it's one thing saying it and another thing sticking to it. (More referring to the board). Actions speak louder than words, we'll see, it will be fascinating none the less to see how it pans out. For the record I actually want Liverpool to do well this season, I just hope Klopp can deliver the expectations and you come runner up to the truly big red club who will be champions this season. :D
 
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Am I the only one still scared that we haven't got in a specialist Left back so far this window. We know how inadequate Moreno is and Scouse for all the hype you give Milner he is not a fullback. He was a disaster in CM with his lack of positional sense and defensively at Fullback he could be targeted. Its our weakest position and if it isn't addressed asap then we can forget about challenging.
 
dilakh2 said:
Am I the only one still scared that we haven't got in a specialist Left back so far this window. We know how inadequate Moreno is and Scouse for all the hype you give Milner he is not a fullback. He was a disaster in CM with his lack of positional sense and defensively at Fullback he could be targeted. Its our weakest position and if it isn't addressed asap then we can forget about challenging.
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Not at all mate. It's a serious on-going concern. You've only to look at how bad he's been again this pre-season. Youngsters coming in and looking great. Others who didn't look too cracking last year looking like they've made a massive leap with the time off and come back a whole bunch better. Then there's Albi as bad as ever.

It was great to hear him say last night our business probably isn't done and he's looking to strengthen further defensively. Disappointing to read they are very interested in Hector but don't value him as high as Cologne do at £20 plus million so unless there's some negotiating down there that looks a non-starter.

I aren't as concerned as the middle has strengthened and more so the 'keeper has massively upgraded to cover for the inevitable Moreno f-up. And we look to have goals all over the front 4/5, whichever combination plays. So that should even the other end out.

But yeah, a solid LB is sorely needed. Still a month to go yet mate of this window. Sounds like they'll be someone at least
 
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zzeezzy said:
If we are here next year and you've finished 5th/6th/7th or lower I highly doubt you will feel the same. You know as well as anyone that the modern game is about results and you need some kind of short term success to build the longer term upon.
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Modern game doesn't mean you need to chop and chop. LFC are known to give the managers support and time. Unless you're Woy though and matching our worst league form since poor Souness was in charge. Terrible terrible memories.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Liverpool players' new Anfield entrance emerges in Main Stand - Liverpool Echo

That's different. The coach now driving into the stand.
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If the crowd are allowed to walk-through this part (kind of similar to us walking under the construction work the season just gone) then expect some exciting bus welcomes... ie a tunnel full of red flares and LIVVERRRPOOOLL chants...

I'm in and around the stadium tomorrow, will try and get a closer look at it.

And I don't get why people are complaining about a fan-base loving and supporting their manager... no wonder other teams are sacking their managers half a season after they've brought home a league title or domestic cup.

If you don't like posts about Klopp then gtfo out of the Liverpool thread?!
 
If any of you, Liverpool fan or not, read ONE thing today, make it this excellent piece on the most important person in any field my City has ever had IMHO. And he's not even from here:

Portrait of an icon: Kenny Dalglish - Football365

Most of you will be too young to remember, but the sacrifices that man made for Liverpool Football Club and the community it serves, that went WELL beyond football and ultimately completely broke him as he tried to carry and rebuild a whole City ..... The debt of gratitude and eternal love and appreciation just can't be put in to words. It's hard to define just what Kenny and Marina mean to survivors, but Storey nails it as good as you possibly can.

Not only a World class footballer. But a World class human being.

The best we've ever had. The best they'll ever be. ALWAYS our King.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Most of you will be too young to remember, but the sacrifices that man made for Liverpool Football Club and the community it serves, that went WELL beyond football and ultimately completely broke him as he tried to carry and rebuild a while City .....
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Applies to me but the family have well educated me on King Kenny over the years. That along with hours of old footage I've seen of him play (AND COULD HE PLAY) led me to loving him and my dad buying me the massive signed frame I have of him on my wall.

Legend.
 
Tezzz said:
Applies to me but the family have well educated me on King Kenny over the years. That along with hours of old footage I've seen of him play (AND COULD HE PLAY) led me to loving him and my dad buying me the massive signed frame I have of him on my wall.

Legend.
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Never forget immediately after Sheffield when the club had the masterstroke of opening the ground up and the Kop and pitch just got covered in flowers and scarfs, walking back down the back the main the main stand and Peter Robinson talking to a some fella so me arl fella went up and emotionally thanked him for giving us somewhere to just go and mourn with others. And he was like 'do you want a cup of tea?' Surreally stunned, we're like 'that'd be great ta mate', and he took us in through reception to the players lounge and man alive, there was most the players and their wives just sat talking, listening, consoling people. Sat with Sandra Beardsley, who is an absolutely lovely woman, and Kenny's handing tea out and just, being there for whoever needed to unload.

They didn't have to do that. Throw the doors open and turn themselves into counsellors and all the extra stress and emotion that entails. The club didn't make them do that. But they WANTED to do that because they all genuinely cared.

It's things like that you NEVER forget and just strengthens that special bond we share with the club.
 
You guys have a good opportunity to get off to a good start in the PL, facing Arsenal now is probably the best time as they have players from Euros like Koscielny who won't be ready. They also have a CB crisis because of it, how on gods name they haven't strengthened in this window still (apart from Xhaka) is mind boggling. They are crying out for a striker and a CB at least.

You can definitely get at them and they have a bad record on first game at home in PL. I know they've lost their last few opening day games.

Right now I don't even see Arsenal as challengers, fighting for CL places.... at least by facing them in first game you get best opportunity to face the weakest Arsenal in terms of fitness, players missing and if they make anymore signings they likely won't be ready such as Mustafia/Lacazette. If they end up getting them two I'll view them as title contenders.
 
zzeezzy said:
You guys have a good opportunity to get off to a good start in the PL, facing Arsenal now is probably the best time as they have players from Euros like Koscielny who won't be ready. They also have a CB crisis because of it, how on gods name they haven't strengthened in this window still (apart from Xhaka) is mind boggling. They are crying out for a striker and a CB at least.

You can definitely get at them and they have a bad record on first game at home in PL. I know they've lost their last few opening day games.

Right now I don't even see Arsenal as challengers, fighting for CL places.... at least by facing them in first game you get best opportunity to face the weakest Arsenal in terms of fitness, players missing and if they make anymore signings they likely won't be ready such as Mustafia/Lacazette. If they end up getting them two I'll view them as title contenders.
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Still be as tough game as always at Arsenal regardless. He's apparently pushing Sanchez and Wilshire so we'll see. Defo need to hit the ground running though. Heck of a tough start to the season the first 8 games.

More interesting to me is just what side/ formation we'll set out with. Because trying to read what Klopp will do is an impossible task. Which I suppose isn't a bad thing as if we have no idea, what chance to oppo. managers have trying to plan for that? I feel safe saying the Belgium buffoon will be in nets. With Clyne and Moreno at FB and probably Klavan and Lovren centre half as there's nobody else. Outside of that I honestly haven't got a clue and everyone on here could write out a different side and probably still not hit the actual full XI. I'd like to say Barcelona tomorrow will probably be a good indicator but it probably won't, lol.
 
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