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Alc said:
Its also interesting to see how the rhetoric coming from the club and their supporter base has changed so drastically. From 'FSG don't spend big because Klopp develops his own players because he is the best at that' to 'Oh great! Look FSG is backing Klopp by spending big!'.
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Not at all. But right now spending on the best available is relative.

The squad needs quality additions. And in this market that is going to cost major money to get the best available. But it's not a long term strategy. Invest big on first team ready quality now to compete and not be left behind. And still continue to develop your own and future young talent.

Solanke from your own club this window a glaring example. It's just a slight tweaking to the model to establish yourself at the next level. The long term vision is still the same.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Not at all. But right now spending on the best available is relative.

The squad needs quality additions. And in this market that is going to cost major money to get the best available. But it's not a long term strategy. Invest big on first team ready quality now to compete and not be left behind. And still continue to develop your own and future young talent.

Solanke from your own club this window a glaring example. It's just a slight tweaking to the model to establish yourself at the next level. The long term vision is still the same.
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Theres nothing wrong with doing both, but when you use it to have a jibe at others, it raises eyebrows.

How can Klopp et al make a dig at Pogba, and then turn around say they are serious about Mbappe without sounding like hypocrites?
 
He wasn't referring to Klopp as much as he was continuing his digging. But I wouldn't argue there. I think he's now realised that the way the market has gone, as much as he doesn't like it, he's got to go along with it or get left behind.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
He wasn't referring to Klopp as much as he was continuing his digging. But I wouldn't argue there. I think he's now realised that the way the market has gone, as much as he doesn't like it, he's got to go along with it or get left behind.
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And like I say it's smart to move with the market. It's not smart to make high horse comments like he did last season, because the ever changing nature of football and its market will make you look foolish very quickly. Better off saying nothing than trying to look clever and end up looking a fool.
 
epic terrorist said:
Massive rumour in Leeds that we are after Joe Gomez on loan
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Would be surprised if he was sent away on loan. I would assume he would take Klavan's role as cover CB in the squad. Considering how injury prone Matip and Lovren were last season if he stays he should get some decent gametime.
 
dilakh2 said:
Would be surprised if he was sent away on loan. I would assume he would take Klavan's role as cover CB in the squad. Considering how injury prone Matip and Lovren were last season if he stays he should get some decent gametime.
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its only a rumour we are linked with everyone atm seeing as we have a decent budget since Radrizzani took over but I can see it happening tbf if he is available. We need a first team replacement for Kyle Bartley and the kid would get games, but like you say depends on how Klopp wants to use him.
 
Bittersweet being 28 years too late and not sure how the FA is off the hook but made up Duckenfield and Bettison are facing the firing squad.

Gomez is going nowhere. Pearce started a bad rumour a few weeks back about him being loaned out and aide runours keep springing from there. The manager wants him at the club to continue overseeing his development.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Bittersweet being 28 years too late and not sure how the FA is off the hook but made up Duckenfield and Bettison are facing the firing squad.

Gomez is going nowhere. Pearce started a bad rumour a few weeks back about him being loaned out and aide runours keep springing from there. The manager wants him at the club to continue overseeing his development.
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We will see I guess, we have also picked up Madger Gomez from yourselves who even the **** is that
 
epic terrorist said:
We will see I guess, we have also picked up Madger Gomez from yourselves who even the **** is that
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Some kid from the u23s dont think he even played last season due to a knee injury or something. One for the future I think.
 
Mike. said:
And like I say it's smart to move with the market. It's not smart to make high horse comments like he did last season, because the ever changing nature of football and its market will make you look foolish very quickly. Better off saying nothing than trying to look clever and end up looking a fool.
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How do you reason the Klopp of all the managers in the PL was on his 'high horse' and 'trying to look clever?'

He was asked a question and gave an honest answer on how he believes football should be and how he's always worked. Sound if you didn[t agree with it or you think those comments look foolish now.

But let's stick to the context and the man that answered the question.
 
epic terrorist said:
We will see I guess, we have also picked up Madger Gomez from yourselves who even the **** is that
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One of our three Gomes/z.

Talented, as everyone brought up in Spain naturally is. But he could never get a consistent run going down to injuries and his form was up and down as a result. And he missed a season down to the laws regarding foreign U-18 players Iat the time. I think he'd be far better suited to Spain or Portugal or the like where he can showcase his technique more rather than the mad physicality of the English league. (He's very slight.). But I hope he forges a sound career for himself wherever that may be.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
How do you reason the Klopp of all the managers in the PL was on his 'high horse' and 'trying to look clever?'

He was asked a question and gave an honest answer on how he believes football should be and how he's always worked. Sound if you didn[t agree with it or you think those comments look foolish now.

But let's stick to the context and the man that answered the question.
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If he didn't agree with it and that was it he shouldn't have said the day it was commonplace was the day he'd quit football, and then start looking at Mbappe. Or does not think managers who spend big aren't also building a team?

The bottom line is that it's a complete about face from him and Liverpool fans who belittled the big spending but now laud a potential chase for Mbappe.
 
If not spending big are his principles, put the scouting team to work. Or is he principled enough to knock big spending, but not so principled that he would go 100m on an 18 year old? I personally don't care what clubs do with their money, but can't have it both ways.
 
Honestly not sure if it were down to him he would. He might covet Mbappe. He's a ridiculous talent that's on a fast track to World superstardom. But I think the decision on any move there were he to come to England is more from the owners POV of an investment they can really capitalise on. He get's his kicks from teaching and developing players into better players. Just he's had to adapt his view slightly as the market has gotten even more mad this summer and you're in serious danger of getting left behind if you don't. But if we do spend big like I anticipate, I can't see it being a regular occurrence. He'll have his backbone set and then can concentrate on the unheralded young talent like Grujic. That was one of the big things that had Liverpool being the only club to draw him back early from his sabbatical after perceived bigger names had failed.

Wouldn't argue about the about-turn and anyone's view of him therein. (Although the majority of L'pool fans have been castigating FSG for not spending big since they first arrived.). Just he's the last person that would say something just to be clever over it.
 
So Southampton say van Dijk won't be sold. *Eye roll. Keita is talking more and more like he's done in Leipzig. Joe Gomez is going anywhere from Leeds to Brighton apparently and probably every stop in between. And Ryan Sessagnon has done the decent thing and signed his first pro-contract with Fulham to safeguard them some money.

Another mad day of pretty much nothing and the window hasn't even opened yet!
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
So Southampton say van Dijk won't be sold. *Eye roll. Keita is talking more and more like he's done in Leipzig. Joe Gomez is going anywhere from Leeds to Brighton apparently and probably every stop in between. And Ryan Sessagnon has done the decent thing and signed his first pro-contract with Fulham to safeguard them some money.

Another mad day of pretty much nothing and the window hasn't even opened yet!
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Just me but I don't think those 3 will move this Summer.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Honestly not sure if it were down to him he would. He might covet Mbappe. He's a ridiculous talent that's on a fast track to World superstardom. But I think the decision on any move there were he to come to England is more from the owners POV of an investment they can really capitalise on. He get's his kicks from teaching and developing players into better players. Just he's had to adapt his view slightly as the market has gotten even more mad this summer and you're in serious danger of getting left behind if you don't. But if we do spend big like I anticipate, I can't see it being a regular occurrence. He'll have his backbone set and then can concentrate on the unheralded young talent like Grujic. That was one of the big things that had Liverpool being the only club to draw him back early from his sabbatical after perceived bigger names had failed.

Wouldn't argue about the about-turn and anyone's view of him therein. (Although the majority of L'pool fans have been castigating FSG for not spending big since they first arrived.). Just he's the last person that would say something just to be clever over it.
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From saying that he doesn't like to spend big to now be willing to spend £100m on an 18-year old is not 'adapting your view slightly'. Its pretty much 'changing your view completely'.
 
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