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Forget top 4. The hated rivalry alone, which is still as strong as ever, ALWAYS makes this a must win.

Straight into these Scab bastards Redmen!
 
Vanjagl said:
81% possession. Poor NF.
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Disgraceful in a game of top flight football. And we weren't particularly good either which makes their pathetic approach even worse.

But I just wanted to quickly post this to @dilakh2 before I grab some tea-

Jurgen Klopp on why he LOVES Diogo Jota - not just the goals! - YouTube

It continues to baffle the living P out of me how you not only don't see the qualities in that lad mate. But talk about him like he's Benteke/ Origi/ Diouff incarnate! Absolutely no coincidence that our counter-press has been pretty much non-existent from where it starts, up top, in his absence. Nor that he's back with his uncanny knack of notching the first goal in games now he's getting stronger and approaching full fitness again.

I'm all for a differing POV on a player. But you have a mad anti-Jota thing that is like the disdain you had for Clyne. Which just blows my mind.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Disgraceful in a game of top flight football. And we weren't particularly good either which makes their pathetic approach even worse.

But I just wanted to quickly post this to @dilakh2 before I grab some tea-

Jurgen Klopp on why he LOVES Diogo Jota - not just the goals! - YouTube

It continues to baffle the living P out of me how you not only don't see the qualities in that lad mate. But talk about him like he's Benteke/ Origi/ Diouff incarnate! Absolutely no coincidence that our counter-press has been pretty much non-existent from where it starts, up top, in his absence. Nor that he's back with his uncanny knack of notching the first goal in games now he's getting stronger and approaching full fitness again.

I'm all for a differing POV on a player. But you have a mad anti-Jota thing that is like the disdain you had for Clyne. Which just blows my mind.
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Clyne was utter tosh I won't budge on that and his off-the-field shenanigans never helped. Jota is just a poor footballer for me who I don't mind being the first choice off the bench. Yes, he will get goals albeit the streaky player he is and he is wonderful in the air. However, he isn't a patch on Diaz on the left wing OR Nunez insane pace on the left. In the CF position, it has to be Gakpo because for one he can spot a pass and link up play or Nunez as a classic 9. Jota is a luxury player and in a rebuild, if someone offers you 50mill plus for Jota, harsh decisions have to be made IMO. He isn't a bad player but he just isn't good enough to be the first choice and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
*This will be long as I can’t express my feelings and thanks in a short message-

Having slept on yesterday, and there still being only one overriding thing from the game on my mind this AM, this games missive won’t be about the actual game of football, but the poignant, very emotional stance from a group of Nottingham Forest fans who have my utmost respect and thanks for trying to change the narrative and educate their own.

For those not aware, we’ve always had a very, lets say, ‘strained’ relationship with Forest since the late ‘70’s. Which has, frankly, bordered on out right hatred both ways. Initially born out of this small, provincial club that had the temerity to not only challenge our dominance at home and abroad. But take the League title and European Cup from us. All under the guidance of their absolutely despicable gobshite of a manager who didn’t have a respectful bone in his body. (More about him in a minute.). The difference between us was never more stark than during the minors strikes in 1984 and the Nottingham minors doing the very antipathy of socialist, unionist L’pool in breaking the picket lines and the solidarity (‘Key’ word in all this we’ll come back to in a mo), with their own in that fight. We are polar opposites apart and don’t ‘get on.’ And then we have the crux of my musings this morning. That fateful, life changing day for anyone in attendance back in 1989 in Sheffield. The intensity of the hatred between ourselves and Forest was hammered home last year in the Cup when, after a 23 year absence, the vitriol toward us was as strong as ever. But there was a new, jaw dropping element that had crept in. That was on show again this year down there in the league. ‘Tragedy Chanting.’ Made worse that they shared in the horrors of Hillsborough having been forced to watch it unfold in front of them from the other end of the ground.

Forest should be the one's who should always be saying ’There but for the grace of God.’ For, if it wasn’t for one incompetent imbecile at the FA, ‘reasoning’ the Hillsborough Kop was closer to the M1, giving the club with the smaller following the bigger end, they’d have been at the other end of the ground and would have been mourning their own losses 8 days ago for the 34th year in a row. I know the false narrative wasn’t only set by the Establishment and right wing press over the duration, but by their own despicable, horrible human being of a manager Clough and his unbelievably hurtful slights and lies on our City and Scousers in general. But for all the abuse we’ve regularly got over Sheffield, hearing that from the opposition on the day, who suffered psychologically in many ways just as we did, being helplessly penned in being forced to watch the horrors in front of them; has hurt more than from any other club.

So for a group of Forest fans to do what they did yesterday, unfurling that banner on 6 minutes, a poignant touch in itself given that was the time when the game was stopped 34 years ago, to rapturous applause from not only ourselves, naturally, but their entire end ….. I can’t tell you how poignant and emotional a moment that was.

For a group of Forest fans to stand up to their own, and try change the narrative that has been scandalously woven through society here from those that should have been showing solidarity with us for well over a quarter of a Century now, and start to CHANGE their owns minds ….. That puts the trivialities of the actual game of football into STARK perspective.

The actual game of which passed me by in many respects as I just kept being drawn to the banner that was left up all game from the 6th minute. And in particular one thing we’ve rarely had from outside the City with the line that resinates the most:

’Solidarity With Survivors’

Forest have madly been a big part of the national problem when they should have been one of our biggest allies. But hopefully, now, minds and attitudes will start to change and they can begin to educate their own on whats right and whats wrong.

Poignant beyond words. LONG overdue. And our appreciation for the lads taking this stance couldn’t be more grateful.

Thank you. Sincerely. I never thought I’d say this against Forest, but the game, our rivalry, none of it mattered at all yesterday in respect of what was really important.

’Solidarity With Survivors.’

Not often I’ve felt that from the outside over the past 34-years. Yesterday, it was emotionally beautiful to experience that.

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Same as last year Scouse. Wanna do a friendly bet regarding Jude? Lets say if he doesn't join Liverpool in the Summer, you'll 'have' to put Jude's picture in his club's kit for a month. If I lose, I'll have to change mine to Jude's in Liverpool's kit?

Btw, I'm saying he aint joining Liverpool this Summer.
 
Vanjagl said:
Same as last year Scouse. Wanna do a friendly bet regarding Jude? Lets say if he doesn't join Liverpool in the Summer, you'll 'have' to put Jude's picture in his club's kit for a month. If I lose, I'll have to change mine to Jude's in Liverpool's kit?

Btw, I'm saying he aint joining Liverpool this Summer.
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Works for me.

Be it this summer or next, his next destination from Dortmund is Anfield. That's not in question.

So I'll go further and say if that doesn't happen, I'll PERMANENTLY have Utds badge, or anything else of your choosing, as my pic and any nick you want me to wear. And you don't have to change anything from your side. That's how 100% certain I am of that.

There's only ever been one club involved here as there's only ever been one place he wants to play next. The club have known that since last summer. Why they've happily waited this out too. (Which doesn't excuse them neglecting the midfield again last summer but still.). There's just a game of seriously high stakes poker going on right now I'd wager not so much with Dortmund, but for other deals. Let clubs know you've bid for him, then 'pulled out', so they think that's all you have to spend. Pretty sure they have investment boxed as well already. Just they're not announcing that so they don't get ripped off on other targets.

I think this will be one we revisit later on in the window personally after we've got early business out of the way. But if he signs the proposed new Dortmund deal with the £80 million release clause, that just doubles down even further on his intention to be here next summer.

I'd lay every penny I have that the two England teammates Mount and Jude will be playing at club level together next season or the one after.
 
You've got yourself a friendly bet then! Only way I think I lose this bet if you get into CL spot.
 
The best thing about tonight already is being able to watch it on the telly and have a break before the last 6. (Don’t get me started on the Leicester Monday night disgrace!).

You couldn’t pay me enough to EVER go to that absolute sham of an athletics stadium in Stratford again.

Wouldn’t expect to see Trent inverting too much into midfield tonight with Matip covering. Joe would have been the play for that.

Straight into these Redmen!

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