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Had a look at shot maps the other day and Mané looks like 2013/14 Hazard plus minus the key passes. He's running hot on scoring this season and won't score at the same rate but don't be suprised to see him as one of your top scorers. His shot volume of 2.3 per game is quite good for a wide player and suggests he could get 15-20 league goals a season.

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Goals and assists don't do Hazard justice in 2014/15. He ran the attack.
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Looking at more wide players, I compared with Sterling, Barkley, Walcott, Messi and:

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Jesus Christ! That's actually shocking. Imagine if he actually started shooting.

Walcott and Sterling look like reborn players this season.
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Koeman has somehow gotten Ross Barkley to stop dribbling and lose the ball more at the same time. Beats me how Deulofeu doesn't play.

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He's a good player and that's it. Not good enough to compare with the others.

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I compared to Messi for perspective. Messi is like having a world class no 9,10 and 11 all in one.
 
Firmino looks really good. Anyone wanna guess who Coutinho profiles like? It does seem that he's been better than the thus far hyped De Bruyne this season. He has literally been just incredible.
 
Happy first anniversary Reds of the single best thing to happen to our football club in 56 years.

A French friend sent me this great quote over night. That, along with some more in Cruyff's autobiography released yesterday, speaks to the massive part why our club was the ONLY club for him to come back to after Dortmund. Ourselves.

" It is passed from generation to generation. We often see at the stadium grandfathers with their grandsons. It starts automatically. When the grandson will have his own child he will take him to the stadium. I find there a great similarity with Liverpool, I spent some time in Liverpool and I know the history of Liverpool we're alike but not with the same means (financial power)- but in the spirit and the values we are very similar to Liverpool " Christophe Galtier. (Current Coach, St Etienne.).

Johan Cruyff autobiography - 'Anfield was incredibly impressive, from that evening English football had captured my heart' - Liverpool Echo

Shankly's 'Holy Trinity' - Players, Manager, Supporters. When we're together as one, we're unstoppable!
 
This is just perfect today to what set's him apart and why we love him so much.

The normal fella'. Playing bowls at his local Church club in Formby. Priceless. XD.

[video=youtube;q1fzZUUPtac]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1fzZUUPtac[/video]
 
It's just hit me looking at the England side and no Clyne ('Injured' my ****); we have all our back 4 and 'keeper at the club over the International break for two solid weeks training and working together.

Nice.

That's a Ferguson move that. Pull players from meaningless friendlies and simple nomark qualifiers under the 'pretence' they're injured. Then work the **** off them in training.

Who said the International break was a waste of time? Haha.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
It's just hit me looking at the England side and no Clyne ('Injured' my ****); we have all our back 4 and 'keeper at the club over the International break for two solid weeks training and working together.

Nice.

That's a Ferguson move that. Pull players from meaningless friendlies and simple nomark qualifiers under the 'pretence' they're injured. Then work the **** off them in training.

Who said the International break was a waste of time? Haha.
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I just hope Lovren is back for the united game as we know they will be hitting balls into the box constantly.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
They'll need to get out of their own half first ......
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Bring it!!
 
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Talk about impatient. Everything that's wrong with the media and a disturbingly high proportion of fans
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SO many people are getting SO hung up on the lack of clean sheets it's unreal. The last home game when we absolutely destroyed Hull for 5 going on 14, and there's still the 'but we never kept a clean sheet ..... ' line. 5 F-ing goals! FFS LIVE a little and actually ENJOY it instead of narking all the time! People need to have a word with themselves and remember just why they even go the match and love this game. (Which the manager does his level best to remind everyone of most every day. Sadly you're NEVER going to satisfy some.).

I actually don't think this side would be consistently keeping clean sheets even if you hand picked (perceived) better players back there by the very nature of how he wants to play football and the risks he takes. And I'm MORE than fine with that. I'd be MORE than fine with that if we didn't keep a clean sheet all year (we will of course. Utd is a good bet to start being as he'll of been working the **** off Karius, Clyne, Matip, Lovren and Milner as a group in training this break to try hasten the understanding) so long as we continue to try score more than the opposition and entertain like this in so doing. (Cue zz and damola having heart attacks at the very thought.). He's a modern day manager in a modern day game and I think he's decided the risks for goals at one end are worth the times you'll be exposed at the other. Ferguson had the simple philosophy of 'this leagues **** defensively. And if you don't attack, you don't score goals. But if you do, you'll invariably score more and win more games than you lose.' And there'd be times it broke down, or they had an off game, and they'd get battered. Just like there invariably will with us. (Watch the idiots on social media lose their heads when that happens.). But the majority of the time they won and it lead to a slew of titles. Just like it hopefully will with us.

And let's not forget, Swansea was the first time we've had our first choice 'keeper and back 4 together on the pitch this season. In only that goalkeepers third game in English football. That is going to take time to grow and get the understanding. And we've not been embarrassed at the back by anyone after the Arsenal game which was individual mistakes. Yeah, Burnely scored 2 but they aren't scoring goals like that again in a hurry. We've not conceded past one in a game since. Even the much maligned set piece stat has been improving this year. Still room for improvement. But we're defending them far better than at any point last year in the main. Point being it's something that can be corrected further with understanding and hard graft.

Karius will be fine. The back 4 will be fine. The team will be fine. And that's the key word he preaches every time he speaks. The team. We attack as team. We defend as a team. It's not all on the back 4 and 'keeper. If the opposition has broken past the high press then someone isn't doing their job the other end of the park. He's slowly changing the whole traditional view you've had on everything.

People get SO caught up in wanting perfection (which you're NEVER going to achieve), that they forget the opposition is trying just as hard to score goals against you. And they will. Whatever team you are. That's just football. You win games. You lose games. But man I'd MUCH rather be a side that took calculated gambles in getting bodies forward to attack and score goals like a Klopp side than be bored rigid watching the type of compact, defensive, sit and nick a goal football that is the traditional MO of a Benitez or a Mourinho.

And LONG may it continue being as entertaining as that.

Up the 10-9 Reds!
 
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Brilliant 15 minute watch on year one:

[video=youtube;jx7ga_L9CiA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=448&v=jx7ga_L9CiA[/video]
 
PatrickLFC said:
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Talk about impatient. Everything that's wrong with the media and a disturbingly high proportion of fans
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And that with every club. No matter what level. When I first made the Tercera Activated database to play Burgos CF, I stumbled upon a link to Burgos' forums. I thought I'd go and advertise my database for any interested and had a look around... It looked like a Real Madrid forum, with people blaming the president, albeit for not spending loads in new players (the team had been in the verge of disappearing due to financial trouble, so logically his focus was to build some reserves) and speaking.... wait for it... about the great history of the club that it should regain. Pffffff. The great history of Real Burgos was a two brief stints in top division, one during the fifties and another between 1990 and 1992, in which they once qualified for what is now the Europa League. then disappear due to financial issues. Reading one would think Real Burgos had won some Champions Leagues in their time. LOL
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
SO many people are getting SO hung up on the lack of clean sheets it's unreal. The last home game when we absolutely destroyed Hull for 5 going on 14, and there's still the 'but we never kept a clean sheet ..... ' line. 5 F-ing goals! FFS LIVE a little and actually ENJOY it instead of narking all the time! People need to have a word with themselves and remember just why they even go the match and love this game. (Which the manager does his level best to remind everyone of most every day. Sadly you're NEVER going to satisfy some.).

I actually don't think this side would be consistently keeping clean sheets even if you hand picked (perceived) better players back there by the very nature of how he wants to play football and the risks he takes. And I'm MORE than fine with that. I'd be MORE than fine with that if we din't keep a clean sheet all year (we will of course. Utd is a good bet to start being as he'll of been working the **** off Karius, Clyne, Matip, Lovren and Milner as a group in training this break to try hasten the understanding) so long as we continue to try score more than the opposition and entertain like this in so doing. (Cue zz and damola having heart attacks at the very thought.). He's a modern day manager in a modern day game and I think he's decided the risks for goals at one end are worth the times you'll be exposed at the other. Ferguson had the simple philosophy of 'this leagues **** defensively. And if you don't attack, you don't score goals. But if you do, you'll invariably score more and win more games than you lose.' And there'd be times it broke down, or they had an off game, and they'd get battered. Just like there invariably will with us. (Watch the idiots on social media lose their heads when that happens.). But the majority of the time they won and it lead to a slew of titles. Just like it hopefully will with us.

And let's not forget, Swansea was the first time we've had our first choice 'keeper and back 4 together on the pitch this season. In only that goalkeepers third game in English football. That is going to take time to grow and get the understanding. And we've not been embarrassed at the back by anyone after the Arsenal game which was individual mistakes. Yeah, Burnely scored 2 but they aren't scoring goals like that again in a hurry. We've not conceded past one in a game since. Even the much maligned set piece stat has been improving this year. Still room for improvement. But we're defending them far better than at any point last year in the main. Point being it's something that can be corrected further with understanding and hard graft.

Karius will be fine. The back 4 will be fine. The team will be fine. And that's the key word he preaches every time he speaks. The team. We attack as team. We defend as a team. It's not all on the back 4 and 'keeper. If the opposition has broken past the high press then someone isn't doing their job the other end of the park. He's slowly changing the whole traditional view you've had on everything.

People get SO caught up in wanting perfection (which you're NEVER going to achieve), that they forget the opposition is trying just as hard to score goals against you. And they will. Whatever team you are. That's just football. You win games. You lose games. But man I'd MUCH rather be a side that took calculated gambles in getting bodies forward to attack and score goals like a Klopp side than be bored rigid watching the type of compact, defensive, sit and nick a goal football that is the traditional MO of a Benitez or a Mourinho.

And LONG may it continue being as entertaining as that.

Up the 10-9 Reds!
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Good god! This is why I don't like hype trains. The point was that there are times where you have to grind out a result and keep a clean sheet. I have to say that the Burnley result was unlucky but the defence has been nothing spectacular. There surely has to be a balance? You've referenced Sir Alex Ferguson's side who were incredibly resilient and capable of nicking and protecting a result if need be. Just look at Spurs who seem to have balanced everything out nicely and are 2nd despite losing key players. They've conceded 3 league goals albeit lucky. It's getting increasingly difficult to see Liverpool not making the top 4 by there's a reason I don't jump on hype trains.
 
Death Ball said:
And that with every club. No matter what level. When I first made the Tercera Activated database to play Burgos CF, I stumbled upon a link to Burgos' forums. I thought I'd go and advertise my database for any interested and had a look around... It looked like a Real Madrid forum, with people blaming the president, albeit for not spending loads in new players (the team had been in the verge of disappearing due to financial trouble, so logically his focus was to build some reserves) and speaking.... wait for it... about the great history of the club that it should regain. Pffffff. The great history of Real Burgos was a two brief stints in top division, one during the fifties and another between 1990 and 1992, in which they once qualified for what is now the Europa League. then disappear due to financial issues. Reading one would think Real Burgos had won some Champions Leagues in their time. LOL
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It's ridiculous how fickle they are.
 
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