The second was easily saveable. If Niasse hits it into the bottom corner or chips him fair enough, but he got beat by a weak shot straight at him that went under him. For me one of the mistakes Klopp made was not letting Karius ride out the bad patch and learn from it.
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Liverpool got exactly what they deserved, teams like hull are well set up against how they play, and teams have learned. This season is certainly salvageable, but that is down to Klopp changing things up. If Liverpool falter the buck stops with him
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Hull did little different from when they got beat 6 at Anfield earlier the season. And they weren't that much better in quality. Just for some reason, which to me is all confidence related, L'pool have completely stopped what they were doing to comfortably negate that against teams like Swansea, Hull and West Brom earlier in the year. We're not facing much of anything different from anyone. Just L'pool's 'style' has completely changed. Why Christ only knows? But the belief to play at pace/ get bodies forward/ interchange positions/ try things on the pitch to create et all has all gone to the complete opposite of that that's getting worse the longer this year rolls.
Until that returns and they get back to doing what works so well, I honestly don't know how long this rut will run.
Until that returns and they get back to doing what works so well, I honestly don't know how long this rut will run.
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Have to agree to disagree with you from what I'm watching.
L'pool's slump is as much down to L'pool as anyone else watching them the past few months compared to what went before.
L'pool's slump is as much down to L'pool as anyone else watching them the past few months compared to what went before.
Teams press you high, but now when they fail, they rapidly drop deep, then rushing into the space you leave on the counter.
Subsequently in order to stop conceding on the counter, Liverpool are playing more patient football, but doing so in a template that is best set up for high tempo. So they are not moving the ball round and unsettling the opposition defence. I was watching so many pointless floaty balls to he flanks that looked good but did nothing. Nothing for the pace to run onto behind, or given to feet where they could run.
Subsequently in order to stop conceding on the counter, Liverpool are playing more patient football, but doing so in a template that is best set up for high tempo. So they are not moving the ball round and unsettling the opposition defence. I was watching so many pointless floaty balls to he flanks that looked good but did nothing. Nothing for the pace to run onto behind, or given to feet where they could run.
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I agree, we are very ponderous in possession right now, no urgency at all. I didn't see this match, only the highlights, but seeing as most of our recent games have felt like I was watching the same one on repeat, I doubt this was much different.
Maybe a start would be to drop Can for Wijnaldum, I couldn't understand that particular selection
Maybe a start would be to drop Can for Wijnaldum, I couldn't understand that particular selection
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Much of a muchness right now between the two. Can, from being everywhere and having a real intelligent game Tuesday, went back to being horrid yesterday. But Gini's hardly been having a great 2017 either. He was a disgrace the Wolves game passing the buck onto the young kids when he should of been the senior pro leading by example. Even Lallana back inside looked completely devoid of any confidence yesterday and wasn't trying anything. He was just over compensating with two many touches and too many 'safe' balls not wanting to make a mistake like everyone else. Henderson's the only one in whatever that three is right now who's prepared to stand up, take risks and try things.
Confidence is just not there and doesn't look like it's coming back anytime soon.
This first XI is as good as anything the league. And with week's between games and a fully healthy squad should be looking at a big run the last 15 to comfortably secure second at least.
As it is you're now fearful for the top 4 which would be absolutely catastrophic.
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You're just reiterating exactly what I'm saying.
L'pool's whole style of play has changed. Why, I don't know. Key injuries disrupting key relationships on the pitch certainly contributed. But it has changed at an alarming rate to now the complete opposite of the proven method from pre-76 minutes into the Bournemouth collapse. Klopp's attitudes the same. He's still wanting the up-tempo game. The players are working just as hard. Our approach through the week is the same. But when they step on the pitch it just flips. Really can't understate the lack of confidence right through the whole team now. What you described the top the page is nothing we've not seen from teams all year. We've just stopped doing everything that negated that and made this side so unplayable..And until they get the confidence to get back to that this isn't changing.
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Again, they aren't doing anything different to what most teams have done all year. But you're running with the lazy media line that L'pool can't cope with low block teams. When we've proved we can. When we play to our tried an trusted style. Which we currently aren't.
What the answer to that is I don't know as Klopp sure as **** isn't wanting it this pedestrian. But it's as much on L'pool being at rock bottom as anything else.
Wrong again, since I've not been watching any of the punditry recently I'm watching the game, and watching them do exactly that. Press high, fall away, sit deep, and flood the space.
Liverpool have dropped the tempo to prevent the counter, but they have become ponderous
Liverpool have dropped the tempo to prevent the counter, but they have become ponderous
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'Using' the same lazy media line about L'pool not being able to cope with low block teams. Better?
do you think he needs a plan b cos at the mo this is not the same team that was a joy to see and that coming from a utd fan is hard to say but to me he does not seem to have a plan b or willing to give something eles a go but i may be wrong
Not really, there is nothing wrong with moving to a more possession based system, but you know you've run out of ideas when you're playing slow lob passes across the pitch without actually stretching the opposition. Since the turn of the year, possession in most of their games has increased, but so has the lateral lob passing. Get it on the deck, and zip it round in moving triangles
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I just think we need to get back to the fluidity and pace we were doing the 'Plan A' that worked so well. Guardiola's the same with the total belief in his stye of play. You can tweak formations and things within that but the style needs to remain the same. Don't see anything wrong with a belief in a 'Plan A' if you want to call it that. But don't deviate from that style to the pedestrian pace and lack of interchanging movement it is now.
It's a catch 22. Confidence is now at real low ebb but how do you get that back if players aren't prepared to take risks and try things going forward as they're scared to be the one ******** up? We had so many players getting forward earlier in the year and interchanging at pace you couldn't possibly cover everyone. Which completely negated teams sitting deep and trying to take away the space. Now, very few are either prepared to do that, or are prepared to try the cutting ball to find anyone that does.
How we get out of this funk without a few wins to try play us back into confidence I just don't know but I wouldn't say it's down to not having a 'Plan B.' Just need to fully believe in what worked so well again. The signs of the were there against Chelsea. Against Hull it went right back the other way.
Troubled times.
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