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Switching the subject to our keeper situation. It seems judging from the first couple of games this season, Mingo has switched back to his usual calamitous ways again. Its Danny Ward I feel for in this situation, feel the management ballsed up and should have loaned him back to Huddersfield for this season. He won't improve playing a handful of cup games and he's proved from his time in the championship he is an able keeper.
 
dilakh2 said:
I agree with you that he is excellent on the ball and lets be honest he is better defensively than both Matip and Lovren. However there's a reason he got turfed out of PSG and now LFC, the guy is a well known ******** who doesn't have a professional bone in his body. Even the conman complained about his unprofessionalism and that says alot about Sakho's character.
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Celebrating the touch line with the Palace players after they scored at Anfield last year just summed the ***** up. But he's 'part of the Liverpool family' or whatever ***** he's tweeted lately so bizarrely still garners a cult status thing I just will never get.

Sooner he's finally gone and we can move on the better.
 
dilakh2 said:
Switching the subject to our keeper situation. It seems judging from the first couple of games this season, Mingo has switched back to his usual calamitous ways again. Its Danny Ward I feel for in this situation, feel the management ballsed up and should have loaned him back to Huddersfield for this season. He won't improve playing a handful of cup games and he's proved from his time in the championship he is an able keeper.
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Klopp's majorly F-ed this up by letting it go on too long hasn't he?

Yeah, Mignolet to his credit hardly put a foot wrong when he returned last year and was superb most games. But that still shouldn't have detracted from the fact he needed to go and always has the propensity to revert to utter *****. And his confidence is that fragile, one mistake leads to a slew of them as we know. Very poor start the year as you note.

Why he insisted Ward stay, when Huddersfield wanted him again the year is anyone's guess? Karius is still the back-up so just what was the point? A complete, wasted year in Ward's career if he doesn't go out on loan before the deadline. You hardly ever get down to your third choice 'keeper and even if we did, the young Pole Grabara's developing well enough to be sat the bench.

Mignolet should have been moved on before the crowd turns and that situation gets ugly. And we should of either gone feet first in with Karius or Ward, or invested in experience.
 
Yep the keeper situation is one that Klopp defo got wrong. Karius should never have been dropped, it was only the media and pundits blowing he's mistakes out of proportion. Now I doubt we will ever know if he has the mental toughness to ride out the bad periods. The keeper situation is a mess that should've been sorted long ago.
 
Not sure if it was just the media blowing out of proportion with Karius, the guy looked a liability, whenever the ball was in the air especially such as set pieces, cross etc.
 
You don't become a bad keeper overnight though. He was good in the Bundesliga, but for whatever reason he was Sunday league level at times last season. Could be just one of those things that didn't click, confidence supremely low. But he didn't do himself any favours having bold public digs at the critiques.

De Gea looked a liability too in his early days, I would give the kid a break and would be very inclined to give him another shot.
 
zzeezzy said:
Not sure if it was just the media blowing out of proportion with Karius, the guy looked a liability, whenever the ball was in the air especially such as set pieces, cross etc.
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He's right z. Every mistake Karius made was getting scrutinised to ridiculous lengths. WAY more than anyone the same situation. No wonder his head fell off under it all.

End of the day this is one of the highest rated young goalkeepers in Germany by pretty much everyone out there. Who was voted by his fellow pro's the second best 'keeper the Bundesliga behind only Neuer the year prior to us signing him. And suddenly a young 'keeper, in a new league/ Country, thrust in without much of any training time to get an understanding with his defenders down to breaking his hand pre-season (and at that not what would be considered our first choice back line down to defensive injuries); and then comes under WAY OTT scrutiny down to Mignolet being just as bad and a ton of pressure being put on him.

You don't go from what he was showing Germany to a poor 'keeper that wants binning as many laughably make out over a 10 game sample.

I'd slightly disagree with dilakh as he's young enough to still have a long career here and taking him out of the limelight when you couldn't turn on the TV or pick up a paper without him being slaughtered was probably the right thing for his long term career at the time. I just think he should have been in a straight up battle with Danny Ward this pre-season to see who was going to be #1 and 2.

You just hope when he does get back in, and I've no doubt he will at some point this season if Mignolet carries on how he's started and the crowd turns; he's ready to grasp it and fulfil that early promise.

Smacks a lot of de Gea's early struggles adapting to English footie.
 
See I never understood why people stood so vehemently by him during his issues with UEFA. Unprofessional from the get go
 
Mike. said:
See I never understood why people stood so vehemently by him during his issues with UEFA. Unprofessional from the get go
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Absolutely. The main issue with UEFA was, or at least should have been, how they poorly handled things to leave L'pool a player light the Europa final when they knew it wasn't officially on their banned list.

But Sakho let his manager, teammates and every last supporter down right from the start by not running it by the club what he was taking. It's not like they don't get it drummed into them on a regular basis.

He's hardly a distraction but the sooner he's off our books and everyone can move on the better.
 
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Liverpool really in mix for Oxlade-Chamberlain. Thought Chelsea were faves but not so sure now. Hard to see him playing on Sun if he's going​

12:46 am - 26 Aug 2017

Always really liked him and with all the attributes he brings to the table, I think he's tailor made for Klopp to maximise those talents. Perfect fit that would cover a lot.

Whether there's any truth in it remains to be seen but this hasn't gone away all summer so there is that.
 
I definitely think he would be ideal for Liverpool and Klopp. Moreso than under Conte and Chelsea.

As someone who is not a Liverpool fan, he is very much someone I would not like to see go to Liverpool, moreso to Chelsea. :P
 
zzeezzy said:
I definitely think he would be ideal for Liverpool and Klopp. Moreso than under Conte and Chelsea.

As someone who is not a Liverpool fan, he is very much someone I would not like to see go to Liverpool, moreso to Chelsea. :P
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I had exactly the same feeling about Utd when you brought up signing him the other day.

Couldn't believe he was being compared to Lingard, who's just a bang average worker to me with little to his game outside of pace. Nothing more than a back end squad player in an ideal World.

But everyone sees players differently.
 
My opinion on Ox is well documented. To me it just makes no sense, we already have a high earning jack of all trades master of none in Milner. Why add to that in an average winger/wingback who wants to play as a CM, yet has been atrocious in that position whenever he is played there. Feels like Dejavu again as Milner was signed under the promises he would play CM, yet when played there is garbage.
 
dilakh2 said:
My opinion on Ox is well documented. To me it just makes no sense, we already have a high earning jack of all trades master of none in Milner. Why add to that in an average winger/wingback who wants to play as a CM, yet has been atrocious in that position whenever he is played there. Feels like Dejavu again as Milner was signed under the promises he would play CM, yet when played there is garbage.
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That's exactly how I feel about Chamberlain, the idea of paying 35m and 180k a week to have him at United would be ridiculous
 
Mike. said:
That's exactly how I feel about Chamberlain, the idea of paying 35m and 180k a week to have him at United would be ridiculous
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Would of liked him at United personally, as a squad player, class above Lingard for me.

But when I realised the wages he wants... **** that.
 
zzeezzy said:
Would of liked him at United personally, as a squad player, class above Lingard for me.

But when I realised the wages he wants... **** that.
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Over his injury ravaged career, he's scored less,created less (but assisted more) dribbled less successfully and passed less successful. Qualitatively, he gets injured far more, is less consistent, and would cost us far more than Lingard, and still would get past Martial Miki Mata, and he's absolutely average in the position he wants to play in: center mid
 
You're all completely missing the fact that Ox isn't leaving Arsenal to become a squad player. In fact it's probably one of the factors why he's leaving, not started as much as he wanted in his Arsenal career/not in his 'favourite position'. It's a complete non-debate. If Liverpool want to sign him and play him week in-week out, that's their decision, not at OT though.
 
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