The Liverpool Thread

[PatrickLFC]

This is what I didn't get, Patrick. I'd rather double that fee and get Lemar, as I don't think it's a case of both. Time will tell though.

Quality shout early doors when there wasn't even links btw:

Hahaha you have no idea how excited I was to see genuine links pop up in the last couple of days

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Hahaha you have no idea how excited I was to see genuine links pop up in the last couple of days

Unless something utterly crazy happens like Southampton being absolute frigging idiots tomorrow and turning us down, don't forget to thank me for consistently telling yer the past 4 months van Dijk was only ever nailed on to one club.

Just saying like. .

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Buckle up. Tomorrow is fixing to be the deadline day of days!

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

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Sorry wack if that happens. I know you'd long past resigned yourself to that not happening to Leeds but still. He'd of been a heck of a fun lad for you to watch continue his development this year.





Chris Williams
@Chris78Williams

Hannover close to taking Ryan Kent on loan, they've been keen since early Aug. This from 7 Aug for @FutbolgradLive

http://fussballstadt.com/hannover-target-liverpool-duo/

11:00 pm · 30 Aug 2017

 

[dilakh2]

https://streamable.com/nkvzr

Funny as f*ck.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Very interesting pod from the Annie Wrap late last night with The Times excellent journalist Jonathan Northcroft, in his car on his way home from some press award gig in Manchester, talking in the main about Oxlade-Chamberlain.

(Unfortunately, unless you're a subscriber, it's behind the pay wall: https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2017...erpool-transfers-oxlade-chamberlain-van-dijk/).

It was interesting in so much as Northcroft was saying he was made aware back in Jan/ Feb of this year that Oxlade-Chamberlain wanted a fresh challenge and out of Arsenal, and he's preference was L'pool as his next career move having seen what Klopp had done for a host of talented players like Lallana in bringing them to their full potential. Then as soon as L'pool became interested not long after, his mind was made up.

So Arsenal never had much of any chance of keeping him. And Chelsea or anyone else never had much of any chance of swaying him to go to them as this is all about development and fulfilling his potential for Alex at the best place under the best manager he see's above any financial gain.

Interesting that Jonathan also forsee's, through players he speaks to, that being more a more a factor in players thinking going forward being as they're already paid a Kings ransom now (for example Alex making £6 million a year over 5 years at Anfield. What's another £2 million a year at Arsenal. Or 3 or 4 at Chelsea?), that career development and the right club on the pitch for them will become more and more a factor over just going to a club that can pay the highest wages. Which would level a lot at the very top end from a certain few clubs who can spend more World wide on salary than anyone else.

I hope he writes a piece on that going forward because it's an interesting thing to consider as players outlooks change now they're maxing out on what they can earn before it just becomes pure greed.

But it's great in the instance of Oxlade-Chamberlian to know Klopp yet again is the defining factor of a player wanting to come here over far greater financial reward elsewhere. Along with it being real refreshing he's turned down far higher salary offers to try better himself and develop into the top player he feels his talents deserve where he'll get the increased salary down the line if he achieves that aim.

 

[mayankv]

Question for the thread.

Would you consider it a successful window for Liverpool, if we ended up with Ox, Robertson, Solanke, Salah, Keita (Next year) and failed to land VVD and Lemar. Coutinho stays. ( In my opinion, he should be sold because his actions aren't as bad as Sakhos and we can clearly see how that worked out for him)

My opinion is that we need to get VVD and Lemar and sell Coutinho for this to be an absolutely smashing window. If we fail with either, particularly VVD it will not be the a step forward. The defence does need a leader more than anything.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Completely with you mayankv.

CH was the biggest area of need and most imperative 'MUST sign' going in. They identified and agreed (with the player) van Dijk before last season was even out. That's not changed all summer and thus they've not had any alternative in mind.

If they fail get him now, it takes the high of a (to press) great window right back down.

That said, I personally still don't see how Southampton can turn their only option away. Either L'pool have played this perfectly. Or they've gone all in with one of the biggest gambles of all time the will be decided when the last card is turned over today.

 

[Anthony]

For a year I've been listening to my Liverpool supporting mates banging on about how Klopp doesn't need to spend money like United, He's a proper manager who doesn't buy titles and improves the players He works with blah, blah, blah...

This morning they are all dancing with excitement wondering what direction Klopp is going to fling £175m

 

[mayankv]

For a year I've been listening to my Liverpool supporting mates banging on about how Klopp doesn't need to spend money like United, He's a proper manager who doesn't buy titles and improves the players He works with blah, blah, blah...

This morning they are all dancing with excitement wondering what direction Klopp is going to fling £175m

Maybe your Liverpool supporting mates meant Net spend?

But to be honest with you, I've seen Lallana, Henderson, Origi, Mignolet ( little less **** now), Can, Moreno! improve drastically under Klopp. So he does improve the players he works with.

But I also believe that Liverpool must spend to regularly compete at the top in the League. No shame in admitting that.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

For a year I've been listening to my Liverpool supporting mates banging on about how Klopp doesn't need to spend money like United, He's a proper manager who doesn't buy titles and improves the players He works with blah, blah, blah...

This morning they are all dancing with excitement wondering what direction Klopp is going to fling £175m

Your mates obviously don't frequent social media as for the past 7 years and counting most every ******** on there has been screaming blue murder toward, in the main, the owners for not spending big. Even as I write there is apathy from many (with a patent agenda that will NEVER change regardless of anything FSG do) that Oxlade-Chamberlain is nowhere near good enough and they're just levelling the books by selling Coutinho blah blah f-ed up blah.

 

[Anthony]

So he does improve the players he works with.

It's not exactly a unique selling point though, is it? I could type a massive list of managers that improve players, it's their job.
It's like advertising that a car comes with wheels as standard.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

It's not exactly a unique selling point though, is it? I could type a massive list of managers that improve players, it's their job.
It's like advertising that a car comes with wheels as standard.

Tell that to Oxlade-Chamberlain. . Or someone like Keita binning off Barca now and most every top club next summer.

And his record at developing and giving youth it's head ..... Players genuinely want to play under this fella' mate and what he can do for their careers. That's a major selling point right there for the football club.

 

[mayankv]

It's not exactly a unique selling point though, is it? I could type a massive list of managers that improve players, it's their job.
It's like advertising that a car comes with wheels as standard.

Mate if you would watch the players I mentioned week in-week out in the Rodgers era and then watched them today, you would probably see how big a unique selling point it is.

Nonetheless, a player reportedly gave up a 180k a week contract at the reigning champions of England to sign with Klopp. Additionally, if it wasn't for a massive clusterfu*k, we would have also signed one of the best defenders in England ahead of the champions and city.
Look at the Keita example, he could have been a Bayern player in less than 12 months but he chose to come to Liverpool knowing NEXT YEAR.

Obviously I would speak as a fan but try and analyze it as a neutral. You will see that there is definitely a pull in playing for LFC now and the reason is Klopp.

 

[mayankv]

On a totally unrelated note.

Considering France play in a few hours. How much time does the club realistically have of completing the Lemar deal? Keeping in mind there will be a medical before.

I am hoping that there is a chance still which is why the club is apparently still negotiating. Fingers crossed.

 

[zzeezzy]

Think Lemar won't happen, nor Van Dijk. Southampton seem to be standing firm on this one. You should have lined up an alternative CB, big mistake on your part imo.

 

[PatrickLFC]

Think Lemar won't happen, nor Van Dijk. Southampton seem to be standing firm on this one. You should have lined up an alternative CB, big mistake on your part imo.

Sadly I'm with you but I hope to be proven wrong!

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

On a totally unrelated note.

Considering France play in a few hours. How much time does the club realistically have of completing the Lemar deal? Keeping in mind there will be a medical before.

I am hoping that there is a chance still which is why the club is apparently still negotiating. Fingers crossed.

There were conflicting rumours last night that Monaco had allowed the medical so there could be straight thrashing out of the financial side today but that's a good point. The French are still allowing medicals to happen at their base so I've no doubt we're ready to go in.

Gonna' be excitedly nervous all day isn't it?

 

[Tuitfio]

For a year I've been listening to my Liverpool supporting mates banging on about how Klopp doesn't need to spend money like United, He's a proper manager who doesn't buy titles and improves the players He works with blah, blah, blah...

This morning they are all dancing with excitement wondering what direction Klopp is going to fling £175m

That's just football fans though...

Liverpool fans will always put a positive spin on things. Koop doesn't need to spend loads to improve the team but at the same time we aren't going to complain if he does.

Opposition fans are going to put a negative spin in things. Klopp needs to realise that in this era he needs to spend big to keep up with the rest of the prem big boys, but when he does do this gets called a hypocrite for going against how he has felt about spending big in the past.

Just the way it is.

 

[mayankv]

Think Lemar won't happen, nor Van Dijk. Southampton seem to be standing firm on this one. You should have lined up an alternative CB, big mistake on your part imo.

100% agree on the alternate CB part.

On Sunday after the Arsenal game, I genuinely believed that we are done for the Summer. 24 hours after the game, Naby Keita was in the bag for next year and suddenly we were in for Lemar.

I really hope we get them and it is the hope that kills!