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Tuitfio said:
Opposition fans are going to put a negative spin in things.

Just the way it is.
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No negatives from me, I'd rather Liverpool have success in the league over the likes of City or Chelsea (see older posts on it).
It's just the rhetoric being spouted about Klopp borders on insane adoration of a deity at times.

It can come across as a bit silly when you know its adults spouting it.
He is a football manager who knows how to manage... Just like Jose, Conte, Pep, Diego, Carlo and many others oO)
 
Most all other football clubs fans hold players in the highest of esteems.

At Anfield, since Shankly walked through the door back in '59, it's been managers. And when there's a connection like no other between manager and City, that's the by-product of that. It transcends football.
 
if we ended up with Ox, Robertson, Solanke, Salah, Keita (Next year) and failed to land VVD and Lemar.
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That to me is a good window (I'm not convinced by Ox at all, but in terms of manager getting players he wanted, only United and City can say as good or better).

Not getting Lemar is less of a problem if Coutinho is reintergrated, and is a problem if he isnt

Not signing VVD is a big problem, its the one area where you are genuinely properly flawed (i'd argue GK too, but good defence can make up for that so much), and while I understand the urge for him, not having alternatives lined up is a massive error.

Klopp always needed to spend big in the PL to keep in touch, because all the clubs can afford to, and I'll never criticise him for that, its some of the earlier mocking tone that's made him and some fans hypocrties
 
I'd completely agree on the G/K situation but it looks like we're stuck trying to make the best of that for another season at least.

Frustratingly and annoyingly.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I'd completely agree on the G/K situation but it looks like we're stuck trying to make the best of that for another season at least.

Frustratingly and annoyingly.
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The rotation thing isn't working, even with DDG he wasn't rotated (outright dropped a couple of times) he was always going to seen as the number 1
 
Mike. said:

Klopp always needed to spend big in the PL to keep in touch, because all the clubs can afford to, and I'll never criticise him for that, its some of the earlier mocking tone that's made him and some fans hypocrties
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This is exactly what I'm referring to.
 
Mike. said:
The rotation thing isn't working, even with DDG he wasn't rotated (outright dropped a couple of times) he was always going to seen as the number 1
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Utterly mad. I, and pretty much everybody, doesn't understand what he's doing here? If he's being straight up and honestly brings back Mignolet for City, dropping him (and it was a straight dropping. He needed a rest my pasty white _____ ), Arsenal makes absolutely no sense at all. And is no help to Karius in any way, shape or form.

I don't get Jürgen at all here and don't buy a word of how he's trying to sell this.

Mignolet leaving today is the only way it would make sense. But then if you had wind that was going to happen, why start him the season to begin with?

Madness.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Utterly mad. I, and pretty much everybody, doesn't understand what he's doing here? If he's being straight up and honestly brings back Mignolet for City, dropping him (and it was a straight dropping. He needed a rest my pasty white _____ ), Arsenal makes absolutely no sense at all. And is no help to Karius in any way, shape or form.

I don't get Jürgen at all here and don't buy a word of how he's trying to sell this.

Mignolet leaving today is the only way it would make sense. But then if you had wind that was going to happen, why start him the season to begin with?

Madness.
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Tyton has said it before and he's right: Klopp is very poor when it comes to GK's
 
zzeezzy said:
Think Lemar won't happen, nor Van Dijk. Southampton seem to be standing firm on this one. You should have lined up an alternative CB, big mistake on your part imo.
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I don't think you can't take anything that's said/ rumoured today on face value fact until we reach 11 PM.

They'll be deals going on all day. They'll be surprising deals going on all day. Nothings over for any club until the window shuts.
 
Just hope ox moving to Liverpool doesn't have to big an effect on little mix personally
 
I'm not sure Mike if you can say Liverpool have had a good window if they haven't addressed two of their most flawed areas, which could ultimately cost them this season.

Agree with Scouse though, windows not over till it's over, anything can happen on deadline day.
 
zzeezzy said:
I'm not sure Mike if you can say Liverpool have had a good window if they haven't addressed two of their most flawed areas, which could ultimately cost them this season.

Agree with Scouse though, windows not over till it's over, anything can happen on deadline day.
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They were never going to resolve GK tbh. And they look like they have tried to fix LB long term.

It could have been much worse tbh. Imagine not having Keita next season and losing Can too
 
Mike. said:
They were never going to resolve GK tbh. And they look like they have tried to fix LB long term.

It could have been much worse tbh. Imagine not having Keita next season and losing Can too
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Could have been worse agreed, but them not addressing CB is going to be fatal this season I think. Could be the difference between successful or unsuccessful season.
 
zzeezzy said:
Could have been worse agreed, but them not addressing CB is going to be fatal this season I think. Could be the difference between successful or unsuccessful season.
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Devils Advocate.

What top centre half has moved clubs this summer? Like, anywhere. Europe wide.

Chelsea got Rudiger for an injury discount. I'll give you him. Then you're struggling. Napoli priced Chelsea out their lad. Which sent them to Roma. Utd splashed the cash early on someone currently on the bench. Everton paid £25 million for Keane. Chambers is receiving £20 plus million bids. ****, there's a mad scramble for Johnny frigging Evans that Arsenal and City are down to. Arsenal and City! For Johnny frigging Evans!

So as regards L'pool not having alternatives, who should they be? Outside of just buying for the sake of buying someone like Keane or Evans which is a foolhardy policy. van Dijk, aside from Liverpool knowing for over 4 months now he wouldn't sign anywhere else, has been there only target because there has been no other realistic top defender, which is what we're talking here, to turn to.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Devils Advocate.

What top centre half has moved clubs this summer? Like, anywhere. Europe wide.
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Bonucci moved from Juventus to Milan :P

I agree there hasn't necessarily been a lot of what you would class 'world class' CB's available. But VVD isn't at this time world-class. You need someone who's just better than Lovren, which is not really close to world class to be an improvement on him :P

These days you have to really be looking around and it's always going to be a bit of a gamble. When United signed Bailly, I doubt anyone would of classed him as a top defender, now we're seeing he's as good as anything. Certainly in this league anyway (imo anything in Europe he rivals).

Even if you maybe tried to move for someone like Howedes, who has recently moved. Sure not world-class, but far superior to Lovren.

The options were out there, you just put all your eggs on VVD.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Devils Advocate.

What top centre half has moved clubs this summer? Like, anywhere. Europe wide.

Chelsea got Rudiger for an injury discount. I'll give you him. Then you're struggling. Napoli priced Chelsea out their lad. Which sent them to Roma. Utd splashed the cash early on someone currently on the bench. Everton paid £25 million for Keane. Chambers is receiving £20 plus million bids. ****, there's a mad scramble for Johnny frigging Evans that Arsenal and City are down to. Arsenal and City! For Johnny frigging Evans!

So as regards L'pool not having alternatives, who should they be? Outside of just buying for the sake of buying someone like Keane or Evans which is a foolhardy policy. van Dijk, aside from Liverpool knowing for over 4 months now he wouldn't sign anywhere else, has been there only target because there has been no other realistic top defender, which is what we're talking here, to turn to.
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Bonucci, but he really was a target for only Italian clubs.

Edit: Also Musacchio. Really underrated player.

Another one maybe that Columbian Spurs signed from Ajax, but I wouldn't class him as a top centre half at this point even though he has potential to be one.
 
But that's the point z. The options aren't out there that are significantly better than what they have to what we've come up with between us that is realistically available.

Or else you're just buying bodies there that may be a slight upgrade. But are liable to have the same bad games in them. You may as well give a real promising talent like Gomez his head at CB if that's your answer.

Aside from the fact they've been certain he'd sign for nobody else, I can't fault them for not settling when there's nobody else moved that would have significantly improved the position and taken the team on the next level.
 
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