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dilakh2 said:
Probably give our transfer window a 6/10. Recruited in all the areas we are weak in bar CB, plus Coutinho is still here so thats a plus. Salah will probably be the bargain of the window if he continues his form. Robertson is an upgrade on Moreno but still question if he can hack it defensively. My views on AOC are well documented but he's a good option of the bench. All jokes aside defensively were not as bad as everyone makes us out to be. Its good enough to challenge but in games especially away ties in the latter stages against the top teams in europe when we will be asked to defend for long periods in the game I think we'll suffer. I shudder thinking about the likes of Neymar running at Lovren. Can't complain though.
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Just imagine how Celtic fans are feeling right now then, they will likely have a midfielder at CB when they welcome PSG in the CL
 
dilakh2 said:
.... Its good enough to challenge but in games especially away ties in the latter stages against the top teams in europe when we will be asked to defend for long periods in the game I think we'll suffer. I shudder thinking about the likes of Neymar running at Lovren.....
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I'll take the advantage of the one thing every other club doesn't have in Europe d if it came down to a two leged shoot-out.

Anfield.
 
dilakh2 said:
Probably give our transfer window a 6/10.....
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I really don't know how to grade out this window.

On the one hand, they've improved the quality of the depth and bagged 2 of their three main targets. (If Keita a year down the line counts? Or is that to be graded on next summers window?). On the other, the one position they needed to add above all else they've come away empty handed after maddingly f-ing themselves over early in the summer.

Made up with the signings we've actually made. Salah is arguably the most exciting signing of the entire English window for a bargain price. (Which was at the time a club record. Put's a lot into perspective as regards Liverpool in the transfer market the PL era until this summer.). FINALLY, we have a natural LB outside of the continued brain-dead clown that is Alby. Solanke looks an absolute gem of a prospect who's done that well he's forced Origi out on loan already. And Oxo-Chambo (still working on a name) adds great versatility and quality depth that upgrades the squad again.

But that's tempered with the last day frustration. Lemar I don't blame them for at all. They had £75 million for Pete's sake on the table for a lad who had asked to be allowed to come. But when it get's to £92 million for a still developing, relatively inexperienced 20-year-old, it's time to walk away. van Dijk is what leaves the window feeling like a loss. You can only presume the serious threat of a transfer ban was too much for them to bid without Southampton's blessing after the way they bungled it early summer. It was a massive, calculated gamble knowing right through he only wanted to go to them that back-fired down to Southampton standing firm and making their own point.

Talking of, as much as I personally wanted rid of the little sh*t, fair play to FSG for completely standing firm on Coutinho. Like Southampton, they had to be seen to sticking to their guns to once and for all hammer home we are no longer a selling club and won't be bullied by anyone. And the plus side of all that, when Phil is over his little strop, you still have a World class footballer for the year to utilise.

That's been the one major win for me this window. The complete shift in policy from the owners to back the manager as much as they can within reason. They just happened to pick a couple of stubborn clubs to try do their main dealings with. People can criticise them all they like for ultimately falling short the final day. But they've been willing to drop £70 plus million on van Dijk. Similar on Lemar. They were pushing that for Keita. (Who they ultimately got a lot cheaper in an absolutely superb deal. Albeit a year down the line but still.). Even Mbappe they had serious interest in if he'd decided to come to England and would have been rivalling any English club on that score. All without having to sell to fund that spree. They can't be held accountable for clubs just refusing to take their money no matter how high they went. Or for a manager wanting only top bracket targets and not demeaning any alternatives better than what he already has. All in all, with that very noticeable shift in policy, a very good and pleasing window from the owners. Just, again, doesn't seem it with the failure on van Dijk through our own stupidness.

3rd highest net spend save for clarification of late deals too league wide which needs taking into consideration. Most of our rivals have had much worse windows and nearly all have found it real difficult to spend and get their targets.

On the outgoing side, praise the Lord we've finally got rid of that crettin Sakho. Pity it wasn't the £30 million we wanted but it's still an £8 million profit for complete dead wood nowhere near the squad for the last season and more so can't argue at that. Good bye and good riddance. Getting back what we paid for Lucas after 10 years stellar service was another very good piece of business. Pity we couldn't move Ladzar, Flanno and Bogdan but we're almost clear of the sh*te now just two summer windows in for Klopp which is a brilliant achievement.

Think overall I'll give them a B-. Relatively dead happy with the window but the van Dijk miss has just brought me right down.
 
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**** forgot about Keita. I guess your on duty watching RBL games scouse :P
 
My honest assessment of the window:

As far as the in's go -

I feel Salah has been a superb buy. We needed pace on both the flanks and look to have that now. However, I do feel that we need some depth in the event of injuries to either Salah/Mane. Maybe this is where Chamberlain comes in? I for one, cannot understand how somebody with his technical skills can play in the middle, once Lallana is back. Nonetheless greater depth definitely.

Robertson is better than Moreno and better than Milner at LB. Balance there as well. Hope he integrates into the team structure, shape and play as the games will now come thick and fast.

Solanke in pre season looked like a definite upgrade on Origi. Happy with that. As long as the tribunal fees stays below 10 million!

Keita for next year, its the year that matters so will keep this short. I feel this is absolutely smashing business by the club. The kind of deals Bayern, Barca, Madrid are lauded for. I really hope there is no clause in the agreement such as Liverpool have to qualify for the UCL.

The Outs:

Kevin Stewart, Lucas, Wisdom sold - Good.
Origi Loaned - Great. Especially with the recall clause along with the fees.

Sakho - BAD. I for one, cannot understand what Klopp's thinking here is. Let's think about his misdemeanors.

- He took an allegedly banned substance. Was suspended from Football. Missed the Euros in his home country. Uefa come back and say the substance wasn't in the list. Revoke the ban. Nobody comments how Uefas incompetence cost him a chance to represent his nation in their backyard. He should have informed the club and was silly.

- He acted totally unprofessional during pre-season. Klopp decides to send him back to train alone. Player trains alone. Makes no fuss about it. Klopp wants to loan him out for fitness. He declines. Klopp decides there is no way back for him so he is left to train with the U-23s. Player apart from one Snapchat or whatever post maintains his silence.

How are these things worse than what Coutinho has done? How come there is a chance to reintegrate Coutinho into the squad? He committed far worse mistakes than Sakho and there was a bid on offer which is way more than what he is worth. Any level headed fan will tell you that Coutinho is world class but he is not worth a 130 million pounds. Granted we don't need the money etc etc but how has what Coutinho done not undermined Klopp? The way Sakho has been treated is absolutely ridiculous for in my opinion.

He is better than Lovren, Klavan, Gomez (at this stage in his development) and without a doubt the second best CB we had.

Selling him would have made sense if:

Van Dijk - This has been the biggest let down in this window. Coupled with the Sakho issue, it is a big blunder. We are 1 injury away from Klavan at Center back and 2 injuries away from the Rodgers approved Emre Can at CB experience. The club messed up here and there can be no turning away from that. Massive, massive let down.

I really won't comment much on Coutinho because I feel he should have been sold, we should have chucked whatever money at his replacement (Kovacic/Lemar) and be done with this whole thing. It will start again next year.

We should have also got in a new Goal Keeper. United have a world class GK, so do Chelsea, Spurs too and City have something better than Mignolet/Karius. Cech is also better than these 2. Maybe Klopp sees Ward as his number 1 eventually this season?

The next objective for the club should be to tie down Can to a long term contract. That should be their single biggest agenda going forward.

To conclude - Unlike previous windows where it has been 1 step forward 2 steps back. This one has been 2 steps forward and 1 step back. It's progress but it could have and should have been so much more.
 
Sakho has been unprofessional from the get go. It got him kicked out from PSG and now us. Coutinho sure has been a ******* but you can guarantee when the window is closed he will knuckle down and focus on his game. Thats the difference between the two.
 
Hearing this AM that the ban would have potentially been considerable after the agreement they had with Southampton to leave the tapping up mess on the proviso we wouldn't bid uninvited. Which ran through the final day. Sounds like Liverpool's hands were well and truly tied.

Hopefully, he can now ride out the next 4 months and we can go back in without any fear and bag him January.
 
The 'FSG OUT!' agenda hoardes are out in full force so L'pool social media is worth swerving for your sanity.
 
It's time for your fax machines to have a little manlfunction, ain't it?
 
Lol Tyton. Yeah, there's no way they're selling him now.

That boats passed for this year at least.
 
18 months I'm hearing they feared with what Southampton had on us. Which would of absolutely killed the football club.

Can't blame the club at all for the way they handled this after they initially f-ed up.

Our hands were literally tied. I had hoped Southampton wouldn't be so stubborn to prove a point and would see sense and invite a bid but so be it. A 4 month wait it is.
 
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Forgot to mention yesterday with all the last day madness, kudos to Leicester City.

£10 for the League Cup. Superb and greatly appreciated.
 
"We're in good form going into the Man City game after beating Arsenal 4-0 last week." - The Ox....

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