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Tbh I don't question the red itself, the severity of the injury very much comes into play. I wouldn't be surprised if they reject the red when you consider the state of Ederson's face afterwards
 
Mike. said:
Tbh I don't question the red itself, the severity of the injury very much comes into play. I wouldn't be surprised if they reject the red when you consider the state of Ederson's face afterwards
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But it shouldn't should it? Either after the effect or at the time of the incident.

Henry was making the point that Moss was going to his pocket to get out a yellow before he see's the goalie laid prone and changes his view to a red. Now only Moss knows if that was the case, but regardless, that shouldn't have played a part in his decision.

It's terribly unfortunate that Ederson caught the boot to the head but what way do you determine it's serious, dangerous play or not? If Sadio went with his head and risked them both clashing heads what then? Send them both off? The Newcastle fella' yesterday was saying maybe he stayed on as the Swansea lad didn't go down. But that shouldn't play a part. The severity of any injury when neither player has intentionally gone out to injure the other. The yellow card option is there for a reason. And there's been a few similar ones this season already elsewhere.

Either everything's treated the same, where you may as well say anything about chest height can't be contested unless it's with your head; or not.

I fully expect the FA to uphold and probably even extend this as the FA wouldn't know doing the right thing if it jumped up and bit them on the ****. But it wouldn't make it right just because the City player was unfortunate enough to be the one caught and left with the immediate after effects of his face looking like it does today.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
But it shouldn't should it? Either after the effect or at the time of the incident.

Henry was making the point that Moss was going to his pocket to get out a yellow before he see's the goalie laid prone and changes his view to a red. Now only Moss knows if that was the case, but regardless, that shouldn't have played a part in his decision.

It's terribly unfortunate that Ederson caught the boot to the head but what way do you determine it's serious, dangerous play or not? If Sadio went with his head and risked them both clashing heads what then? Send them both off? The Newcastle fella' yesterday was saying maybe he stayed on as the Swansea lad didn't go down. But that shouldn't play a part. The severity of any injury when neither player has intentionally gone out to injure the other. The yellow card option is there for a reason. And there's been a few similar ones this season already elsewhere.

Either everything's treated the same, where you may as well say anything about chest height can't be contested unless it's with your head; or not.

I fully expect the FA to uphold and probably even extend this as the FA wouldn't know doing the right thing if it jumped up and bit them on the ****. But it wouldn't make it right just because the City player was unfortunate enough to be the one caught and left with the immediate after effects of his face looking like it does today.
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It actually does for serious foul play. It's in the law book.

Henry is actually wrong on the bold, because injury is taken into effect. Moss is entitled to see how bad it is, and react accordingly.
 
Mike. said:
It actually does for serious foul play. It's in the law book.

Henry is actually wrong on the bold, because injury is taken into effect. Moss is entitled to see how bad it is, and react accordingly.
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How do you define 'serious, foul play?'

That's the only section that should apply:

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Did Mané do either of the last part there? I can see why some officials would say he did. Even if I wouldn't agree or else you may as well take any above waist height challenge out of the game. But either intent or not, or the outcome to the player, shouldn't be taken into consideration if they're going strictly by the rule book.

The same way it shouldn't in determining the severity of the punishment.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
How do you define 'serious, foul play?'

That's the only section that should apply:

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Did Mané do either of the last part there? I can see why some officials would say he did. Even if I wouldn't agree or else you may as well take any above waist height challenge out of the game. But either intent or not, or the outcome to the player, shouldn't be taken into consideration if they're going strictly by the rule book.

The same way it shouldn't in determining the severity of the punishment.
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Intent is never taken into account. Basically by missing the ball (whether we agree he could make it or not) he opened himself up to a red.

He acted with disregard to the conseqences , ie he didnt take into account what happened if he missed

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So that's serious foul play. Even not covering seriousl foul play, and you call it charging, it becomes excessive force and in danger of injuring his opponent, he did injure his opponent, under that law it's also a red card. The minute Ederson came off that bad he was getting sent off
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Carragher's turning into a proper gobshite over the summer. If he's not taking every opposing stance to be as controversial as he can be for the sake of Sky, he's constantly trying to wind Evertonians up on twitter which has soon lost it's 'funny' appeal when he's jumping all over them as soon as their game has finished.

Tone it down and STFU Jamie lad. You're becoming an embarrassment.
 
I actually think Carragher has shaped into a class pundit though. Arguably surpassed Neville
 
Mick Beales coming home next Monday!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BY73J6mlyjV/

Excellent news to have one of the widely acknowledged top youth coaches anywhere back on staff at the Academy.

Says it all about the fella' that he's humble enough without ego to stop him going from U-23's manager his first go-around (and assistant manager out in São Paulo), to working at the very introductory end of U-6 through U-9's.

Welcome home Mick lad. Our long term future is that much better for it.
 
Made up I've just seen this as this is just about my all time favourite L'pool goal. Finals aside. Kenny's great '88 side, with that clip showing not only Johnie Barnes at his majestic best, but Stevie McMahon epitomising everything it means to be/ have a Scouser in the side. The lung busting effort to chase his own blocked shot down, running almost into the paddock to keep it in play, and still get back the pitch before Winterburn gets there to then still have the composure to play in Peter Beardsley (who also scored a superb individual goal that game) ...... Perfection from a player.

https://twitter.com/TheAnfieldWrap/status/907571655937052674
 
Ban upheld. Not surprised. Rules made it very hard to overturn that red.
 
No surprise. The twats at the FA would see it as a climb down if they lessened it. At least they didn't extend it.

Happy the club tried the appeal. Right thing to do.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
No surprise. The twats at the FA would see it as a climb down if they lessened it. At least they didn't extend it.

Happy the club tried the appeal. Right thing to do.
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The FA have overturned bans before. This was a clear red
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
They weren't contesting the card but the severity of what constitutes a 3 match ban.
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Serious foul play can carry a 3 match ban. Ederson's injuries were pretty bad, but it also wasn't overly reckless to be considered a frivilous appeal or needing more than 3 matches
 
Again, not down with this Lge 'keeper/ CL 'keeper thing. (Which looks like 3 'keepers with Ward set to play the domestic cups. Mad.).

I'd much rather Karius been the #1 from the start the season but at least he'll get good experience on the highest stage of all.
 
Anyone following this Youth League game? Asking as it's currently 3-0 on 64 the pub but this is stop start so much its probably finished and could be anything now!
 
spook said:
Its 4 now.
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Ta mate. Worst feed ever this. And excellent. The Reds in Europe! Any level.

Conpletely agree with Phil just being the bench BTW. Places need to be earned and aren't a right. Good opportunity to maybe give him a start Burnley to rotate or even better the Leagie Cup to really send home the message that the team comes first. NO exceptions!

Buzzing for this. Anfield. Under the lights in Europe. No place like it. Let's do this!

Up the Reds!
 
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