No need for new jerk reactions against Moreno. Poor guy just had a nightmare 10 mins after not putting a foot wrong. He has proven this season he can come back from worse setbacks.
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Saying he didn't put a foot wrong is a jerk reaction though. He wasn't even good in the 1st half, out of position several times and gifted Sevilla a 1on1 opportunity. Let's be honest here, the first two goals were both his fault. He had a real stinker of a game.
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1. I was being sarcastic by describing it as a silent protest. After the abuse he got two seasons ago and the **** you've seen Lovren being subjected to, I think you need to reevaluate what you consider a "jerk reaction."
2. "not putting a foot wrong" you must be joking surly? He had made many errors in the first half; almost leading to a goal that narrowly wet wide because he was drawn infield. All seasons he's been a defensive liability. I'd love to see him re-purposed as an Attacking winger since he's scintillating going forward but as a left back, he is defensively inept; his positional awareness is awful and his decisions are poor. He doesn't handle the pressure of being a defensive player well and it really shows.
I knew you were being sarcastic mate, I meant the kneejerk response towards Moreno in general. Also my bad was a tad premature of me to say he didnt put a foot wrong but he did have a good 1st half, even in the 2nd half during his nightmare 10 mins he cleared a backstick header that was about to be converted. And he hasn't been defensively inept all season, he has done very well and its expected he will be caught out during games at time considering he's attacking exploits, but for the most parts he's ventures forwards have been timed very well.
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I just can't agree with you that he's done well. He's been average at best (along with out entire back-line to be honest), and while he hasn't been the root cause of our poor defensive displays, he himself adds insecurity to the back line through his poor defensive positional play. His mindset is not 'defence first' so he gets caught in forward position quite often and he doesn't deal well with one-on-one situations. You have to remember that his position is left Back, not Left Wing - he will be judged on his defending and attacking. Good attacking play shouldn't excuse his poor defensive displays.
I said it above, take him out of the left back role and move him forward and all my criticisms end. I just don't think he'e cut out to be a defensive player; in the same way you wouldn't play Messi in a defensive role; his instinct is to go forward, not to stay back.
Well blame the scouts who scouted him I guess. Considering before he signed for LFC he was a WB at Seville and never played FB for a sustained period of time. You cant just say move him further forward as he doesn't have the skill to consistenly beat his opp man plus he is too one footed. I think youre being a tad harsh on him, he has made marked improvements and due to the nature of how we play I guess we will be suscpect defensively.
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I am being harsh on him but that's because he doesn't perform well in the role being asked of him.
I'm not sure how you can improve a poor defensive system without criticising under performing players. To play the way he dose, combined with the style of play we have, you need a back 3 or a world class back 2. It's a mix of tactical naivety and personal defensive failures. I'm sure he's not happy with his own performance today and I can pretty much guarantee what's I'm saying about him is very pleasant compared to what he's saying to himself.PatrickLFC
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Flashbacks of Watford on opening day, late scrappy corner. I've been reasonably impressed with Moreno this season - relative to his previous body of work - but you've got to wonder why Robertson doesn't get more chances, even if it's just to rest Moreno
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Aye, I was saying it to my dad earlier that we can't really measure how much Moreno's improved since he's not being compared agasint anyone. Robertson has had one game (in the League cup agasint weaker opposition admittedly) but the quality of his crossing was superb. Moreno's definitely improved from the 2015/16 seasons but to be fair, it would have been harder to get worse. I think he set our standards of him so low, combined with how low the performances of our defenders in general, that any improvement now feels like a massive improvement - but is it really enough to still be first team quality?
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You heard about manys treatment at the hands of the over zealous shithouse Seville bizzies and stewards too then?
https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2017/11/sevilla-3-liverpool-3-match-review/
Reading this report and on twitter that it was an utter shambles. Hope youre fine mate and atleast managed to catch the game.
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Shambles doesn't begin to describe it mate. I mean the Police in Spain have always been some of the worst on the Continent for hitting first and asking questions later. But Seville took it to another level.
Atko sumnes it up perfectly there. Seville is a brilliant City. Well arguably the best in Spain. Brilliant people and cheap as chips. Same Malaga on Sunday where we're currently headed back to the train as I type. But then you've the A1 ****** in Uniform .....
Got in just as the anthem was being played. After getting the ground 8:10 PM. 35 minutes before KO. Mad lack of organisation round the turnies. The bizzies just marching through at will knocking everyone there path out the way. All dressed like frigging Robbo Cops without so much as an 'excuse me.' Stewards that literally ripped open the one girl in our parties handbag open without even asking her to open it. Then taking a battery pack off her to be collected after. (More on that in a mo.). Then stewards telling yer to just take any seat. Now, that's an 'unwritten law' Euro aways. Has been for years. Nobody is ever in the seat they have a ticket for. You just pick an available speck and everyone's sound with that. But the Seville authorities messed it up that bad outside, they ended up lashing lads with lower tickets the upper and vice versa. Conpletely compromising safety with over crowding. And anyone trying to go the right section was getting either manhandled or just smacked and lashed out. MAJORLY over aggressive with no justification at all. Again, considering the amount of Reds in Seville, it'd been a brilliantly good natured, well behaved trip. Sun cracking the flags, ale flowing, great scran. Boss vibe with the locals. And then yers are met by the **** squad. I guess I was lucky I got in on time and only got manhandled. Although I did get threatened with a batton wielding ******* as I waited for the earlier mentioned girl our group to pick up her moby battery charger along with loads of others who'd had similar and flags taken off them. Only for this steward to start trying to physically push me out the ground as I waited to then have said ******** bizzie join him when I 'politely' told him to ******* do one after explaining I was just waiting for a mate to get her stuff back from a situation the Seville authorities needlessly self created.
Then you finally get back the bar and start seeing lads who'd been bruised and battered by the Police and then lashed out the ground, if they weee lucky enough to get in the first place, and it appears we got away like lucky.
Again, Seville was boss and its citizens are real friendly, sound people. Apart from the **** in uniform. Interesting to read Leicester and City fans having similar experiences there the last few years.
Great to see the media picking up on it and Liverpool being proactive for once in backing us and releasing a statement: Liverpool Football Club statement - Liverpool FC
But doubtless UEFA will do F-all.
Mad how Moscow and Maribor, not to mention Hoffenheim, organised games better this year and were all WAY friendlier/ helpful in terms of Policing/ stewarding than a top la Liga club.
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seen a few horror stories on twitter pal this morning absolutely disgraceful
Shambles defensively. I think too many Liverpool fans let the goals per game conceded shield them from how bad some it has been. They have left 7 clean sheets from 20, which is not horrible. But in the other 13 they have conceded 28. That's bad
Their record this season vs the PL top plus the more difficuly teams in Europe reads as (courtesy of Jonathan Northcroft)
[FONT="]Liverpool vs the better sides faced in 17-18 (PL top 8 plus Spartak and Seville)p 9 w 1 d 6 l 2. 14 scored, 19 conceded.4 goals lost in stoppage time at end of a half. [/FONT][FONT="]
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This is just how they roll.
If they concede, they will concede a lot. If they dont score, they will shoot a lot and have no goal. If they have a goal, they will end up with 3-4 goals.
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Absolute disgrace and absolutely no need. All of their own making.