The Magic Rectangle l 4-2-2-2 l Brazil's Samba Football :::by ARTISAN::: 14.3

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nezza6969 said:
iv'e played a few top teams in friendly games and dominated them and what I have notice is iv'e played against a 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-2-1, 4-4-2 and with this tactic being a narrow tactic you would expect the opposition to exploit the flanks but for some reason this tactic seems to do much better against these styles of tactics.

Artisan I think you have developed a tactic to go against all styles of tactics and it's probably more consistence tactic around and could use this for many season without chopping or changing every season :)
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Nezza; can you add your set piece and upload with this tactic?
 
nezza6969 said:
iv'e played a few top teams in friendly games and dominated them and what I have notice is iv'e played against a 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-2-1, 4-4-2 and with this tactic being a narrow tactic you would expect the opposition to exploit the flanks but for some reason this tactic seems to do much better against these styles of tactics.
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Yh, I know. It took me a long time to prevent AI tactics from exploiting my flank. Also because of all the AMCs the opposition is focussed on defending rather than attacking you.

nezza6969 said:
Artisan I think you have developed a tactic to go against all styles of tactics and it's probably more consistence tactic around and could use this for many season without chopping or changing every season :)
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Thanks. Started working on my next tactic and hopefully when I'm done will be good as this.
 
pbempires said:
Strikers dont really score much. Any way to change that?
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ive played 16 league games and both my strikers have 11 league goals and my amc's have 8 goals 11 assists and the other has 6 goals 14 assists! and my 3rd striker has have 2(8) games and 6 goals.

try attacking movement on training!? thats what i have and defensive on general training. im undefeated all competitions so far.
 
josh_brady said:
ive played 16 league games and both my strikers have 11 league goals and my amc's have 8 goals 11 assists and the other has 6 goals 14 assists! and my 3rd striker has have 2(8) games and 6 goals.

try attacking movement on training!? thats what i have and defensive on general training. im undefeated all competitions so far.
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Which version are you using? In 5 games so far with Liverpool, first season, i have 1 win and 4 draws. Decent start but i think i need to give it more time to gel.
 
I've used and tweak various people's Brazilian tactics last few years. I think last year there was an asymetric one that I loved. No idea if you made those.

I should also comment that being into Brazil tactics there is a good article explaining why in 1982 this formation in theory:
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Actually became this one in practice:
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I'm going to eventually try to work on a tweak into this 1982version that is a 433/4231 formation with same basic principles. In 1982, Falcao scored 3 goals and had a lot of shots so he wasn't really a DM even if he started deep but played more of a box to box role. Not sure if that would make the it a better tactic but thats how Falcao (the 1982 one) played.

Here is the source article:
Jogo Bonito ? la 1982
 
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I gave this a rough go with Spurs, didn't have a great time, really. But to be honest, I didn't try it out for very long(10 games) and team cohesion was probably in the gutter since Spurs signed a bazillion players and I kinda added to that. I'll give it another try, since it seems to be getting a lot of good reviews. A few people have got great results with attacking movement in match prep, should I go with that instead of defensive set pieces? And do the poachers need to have a good heading ability? Because it was my tallest striker that scored the most goals, the others seemed to be a bit *****. I also noticed you had Lambert and Denis on the Southampton test, and both of them have a good heading ability, so that's why I asked.

P.S Schneiderlin is a MONSTER at DM.
 
californiagooner said:
I've used and tweak various people's Brazilian tactics last few years. I think last year there was an asymetric one that I loved. No idea if you made those.

I should also comment that being into Brazil tactics there is a good article explaining why in 1982 this formation in theory:
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Actually became this one in practice:
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I'm going to eventually try to work on a tweak into this 1982version that is a 433/4231 formation with same basic principles. In 1982, Falcao scored 3 goals and had a lot of shots so he wasn't really a DM even if he started deep but played more of a box to box role. Not sure if that would make the it a better tactic but thats how Falcao (the 1982 one) played.

Here is the source article:
Jogo Bonito ? la 1982
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Thanks for that m8, I will give it a read. And if you can tweak the tactic to wwork like that, that will be great :D
 
Have you started on your new tactic yet mate, It will take a lot to beat this one
 
californiagooner said:
I've used and tweak various people's Brazilian tactics last few years. I think last year there was an asymetric one that I loved. No idea if you made those.

I should also comment that being into Brazil tactics there is a good article explaining why in 1982 this formation in theory:
View attachment 536010


Actually became this one in practice:
View attachment 536013


I'm going to eventually try to work on a tweak into this 1982version that is a 433/4231 formation with same basic principles. In 1982, Falcao scored 3 goals and had a lot of shots so he wasn't really a DM even if he started deep but played more of a box to box role. Not sure if that would make the it a better tactic but thats how Falcao (the 1982 one) played.

Here is the source article:
Jogo Bonito ? la 1982
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Mate, this formation is exactly what you are talking about. Dm on support duty acting like box2box(similar to sacchi milan 4-4-2). During the match 4-2-2-2 formation turn to many different positions....sometimes 4-2-3-1, sometimes 4-3-3 and sometimes original 4-2-2-2. Check it out average positions and you will see, how flexible this tactic is.

No need for tweaking, it is already perfect ;)
 
Arvind K said:
I gave this a rough go with Spurs, didn't have a great time, really. But to be honest, I didn't try it out for very long(10 games) and team cohesion was probably in the gutter since Spurs signed a bazillion players and I kinda added to that. I'll give it another try, since it seems to be getting a lot of good reviews. A few people have got great results with attacking movement in match prep, should I go with that instead of defensive set pieces? And do the poachers need to have a good heading ability? Because it was my tallest striker that scored the most goals, the others seemed to be a bit *****. I also noticed you had Lambert and Denis on the Southampton test, and both of them have a good heading ability, so that's why I asked.

P.S Schneiderlin is a MONSTER at DM.
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Hi there, thanks for testing and feedback :). As with any tactic there have been good and lukewarm reviews but mainly good ones. I think the main difference comes from different match training. People seem to have the bes result with "Attacking Movement" training.

Also, your poachers having good heading ability is a plus as they will score from crosses sent in by the wingback. I think however though, the Passing, Finishing, Off the Ball and Composure stats are more important. My strikers would have scored a lot more but kept missing easy chances

And yes when I used Schneiderlin he was a tank :) but I sold him for the money (?17m) could not say no.
 
jasonbhoys said:
Have you started on your new tactic yet mate, It will take a lot to beat this one
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Haha, yes I know. I might have set the bar too high with this one. Yes I am working on my new tactic now. Seems the vote was overwhelmingly High pressing Dortmund. It will take a while to complete but I will only only release it if I am 100% happy. If I cant get it right, then I will work on the next highest vote etc.
 
Finally scored my first goal with Southampton with the tweaked tactic, took me 5 games. I still lost though :(.
 
I would change to attacking movement if the tactic isn't doing well only use teamwork if you are with the big boys like Man U/City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund ext,ext

P.S Liverpool and Spurs are not classed as the big boys so I would recommend using attacking movement.
 
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