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Considering Shaw hasnt been able to play, its been a pretty good idea to have Rojo...

£20m for a cover LB? Could of had Fabio or Buttner for that job? Is he seriously any better there than them 2?
 
£20m for a cover LB? Could of had Fabio or Buttner for that job? Is he seriously any better there than them 2?
He wasn't signed as cover he was mainly signed to play on the left hand side of a 3 CB system and maybe do a job at LB/LWB same for Blind. I would sooner have Rojo than Buttner or Fabio.
 
He wasn't signed as cover he was mainly signed to play on the left hand side of a 3 CB system and maybe do a job at LB/LWB same for Blind. I would sooner have Rojo than Buttner or Fabio.

Considering 3-5-2 seems to already be gone (thankfully), that would make the signings very short-sighted and not really logical. I hardly doubt Blind was bought to be a CB as he's not really one.
 
Considering 3-5-2 seems to already be gone (thankfully), that would make the signings very short-sighted and not really logical. I hardly doubt Blind was bought to be a CB as he's not really one.
No Blind was mainly signed as a CDM but can also play LB/CB/MC LVG likes players who are versatile gives him more options. And we will defo use 3-4-1-2 again.
 
No Blind was mainly signed as a CDM but can also play LB/CB/MC LVG likes players who are versatile gives him more options. And we will defo use 3-4-1-2 again.

Hope not, it utterly sucks and we don't have the players to use it effectively, particularly at the back.
 
He's hugely better, and is a left side CB

Sorry Mike, disagree with this. He's a left back who can play CB.

Watched him regularly at Sporting he really is poor there. No positional sense, very rash in the tackle and gets dragged all over the shop by any decent striker. Like I said, if he'd been at CB vs Leicester we would have conceded more than 5 for sure.
 
Sorry Mike, disagree with this. He's a left back who can play CB.

Watched him regularly at Sporting he really is poor there. No positional sense, very rash in the tackle and gets dragged all over the shop by any decent striker. Like I said, if he'd been at CB vs Leicester we would have conceded more than 5 for sure.

That's what I said. He's a better LB than both and can play CB.

I also doubt we would have conceded more than 5. Still got a lot to learn, but he isn't hesitant, which is what the others were, and that's a bigger killer than being rash. I'm also not going dismiss him before he's had a year or two under LVG
 
So much revisionism in here. Preseason pretty much everybody talked about new CB being #1 priority transfer.

Club spends 150m on other positions, and suddenly its all "oh hey, lets get our current guys performing better". The only top proven CB currently in the squad is Evans. And that's not quite good enough for team like United.
 
So much revisionism in here. Preseason pretty much everybody talked about new CB being #1 priority transfer.

Club spends 150m on other positions, and suddenly its all "oh hey, lets get our current guys performing better". The only top proven CB currently in the squad is Evans. And that's not quite good enough for team like United.

Well that's a silly thing to say. The mistakes being made are as a side. So bringing in a new defender is pointless, if the rest of the players keep making those mistakes. And by the way, it was said from the start that the current players had to step up as well as bringing in new players (its actually the exact point i made to zzezzy about transfers months ago when talking about Vidal).

It's not about top proven names, thats rep based rubbish (funnily enough Jones has been the best defender, despite Evans being the "name"). Players, whether you are the seasoned pro, or the new kid, need to execute the basics, and as a side we are not. Names don't come into it. This is stuff that is first and foremost solved on the training ground, becuase no one is playing to the best of their abilities right now, not even close

We could always do with another defender, but its moot if the rest of the defence doesnt improve, because you defend as a unit.

And CM was the number one issue, not CB.

Also, the window opens in Jan. It's of zero use right now.
 
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How long Evans and Jones out for mate?

Jones is 2-3 weeks. No idea about Evans.

The defence doesnt need to be as good as the attack, but they do need to get the basics right, and they arent. Which makes talk of a new defender moot, because he cannot defend the entire line himself.
 
Evans about a month with an ankle injury, fecking joke this defensive stuff and injuries.
 
Jones is 2-3 weeks. No idea about Evans.

The defence doesnt need to be as good as the attack, but they do need to get the basics right, and they arent. Which makes talk of a new defender moot, because he cannot defend the entire line himself.

You think it's a coaching/tactics problem or the players themselves? We all know smalling and blackett ain't no kompany or terry but you'd still expect them to do the basics.
 
You think it's a coaching/tactics problem or the players themselves? We all know smalling and blackett ain't no kompany or terry but you'd still expect them to do the basics.


Both, they seem unsure of what they need to be doing. And agree, they are not the greatest, but they are not even doing the basics right. Maybe they are still adapting to the new ideas
 
Smalling is a curious case a couple of years back he looked legit like a top cb and then just stagnated/declined and tbf a few did it seems after the 2011/2012 season a bunch like cleverley and smalling just went down either what happened with the title that year mentally killed them or due to one reason or another they never were that good.
 
I'm talking solely as a number 10, mata is much better he's way more creative, better passing in tight spaces, better dribbler and a much better touch which isn't hard tbh

Mata has better first touch and apart from that Rooney is better and he proved it too by creating and scoring many goals from #10 position. I want Mata to play as many games as possible but Rooney is better player and better in any position except on wings.
 
Mata has better first touch and apart from that Rooney is better and he proved it too by creating and scoring many goals from #10 position. I want Mata to play as many games as possible but Rooney is better player and better in any position except on wings.

Hardly a fair comparison considering Mata has never had a world-class striker in front of him at Chelsea while Rooney was playing with RVP who is one of the best strikers in the world. Give Mata a run of games behind someone like Falcao and watch him tear apart defenses. Mata got 30+ assists in his last season at Chelsea with ******* Torres as the main man
 
Hardly a fair comparison considering Mata has never had a world-class striker in front of him at Chelsea while Rooney was playing with RVP who is one of the best strikers in the world. Give Mata a run of games behind someone like Falcao and watch him tear apart defenses. Mata got 30+ assists in his last season at Chelsea with ******* Torres as the main man

Rooney hardly played with world class players. We had ******* Cleverley and Carrick in the midfield who barely scored or Valencia and Young on the wings.
 
Rooney hardly played with world class players. We had ******* Cleverley and Carrick in the midfield who barely scored or Valencia and Young on the wings.

Yeah and they had ******* Mikel, 80 year old Lampard and Moses who didn't make the bench in Liverpool. Rooney doesn't have **** on Mata as #10. But its a bit like with Ozil - it only works if you build the team around him and set him free as #10 - he will set defenses on fire. Benitez did that with Mata and it worked brilliantly.
 
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