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Morgan Schneiderlin alerts clubs as he closes in on Southampton exit | Football | The Guardian

The 100% reliable Guardian are reporting that it's a 2 way between United and Arsenal. L'equipe are a 50/50 in terms of reliability. They are more of a hybrid between the dailymail and skysports. They are a joke paper at times. After the crappie game against Monaco, they gave pretty much the whole arsenal team 3 or 4 rating. They even gave Olivier Giroud a 1. They also love witchunting players that are popular to hate on. They made more anti-Özil articles last season than the whole British media. I would be skeptical. The only reliable sources are the BBC, Skysports, The Telegraph and The Guardian. Also follow David Ornstein on twitter, who's a BBC journalist that's always spot on. A public broadcaster is as reliable as it gets.
 
sunilvk7 said:
I would rather not sign anyone than wasting wages on Song. He is not improvement on what we have.

Schneiderlin would be a superb signing. I was raving about him from last 2 years. Proper CM, excellent defensively and good ability on the ball. He is not spectacular and we don't need spectacular signing in that role. We need someone who is very consistent, offers physicality, excellent defensively and good ability on the ball. Schneiderlin ticks all the boxes. Also his work rate is immense.
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Exactly this, but in far fewer words.
 
Morgan Schneiderlin is easily the best defensive midfielder in the league.
 
damola3 said:
Morgan Schneiderlin alerts clubs as he closes in on Southampton exit | Football | The Guardian

The 100% reliable Guardian are reporting that it's a 2 way between United and Arsenal. L'equipe are a 50/50 in terms of reliability. They are more of a hybrid between the dailymail and skysports. They are a joke paper at times. After the crappie game against Monaco, they gave pretty much the whole arsenal team 3 or 4 rating. They even gave Olivier Giroud a 1. They also love witchunting players that are popular to hate on. They made more anti-Özil articles last season than the whole British media. I would be skeptical. The only reliable sources are the BBC, Skysports, The Telegraph and The Guardian. Also follow David Ornstein on twitter, who's a BBC journalist that's always spot on. A public broadcaster is as reliable as it gets.
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TBH I would not call anyone 100% reliable :P
 
If Arsenal are willing to pay up the price, which people so far have said they are not, I could perhaps see him going there over us because they have stronger French connection with Wenger especially etc.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
The same way you have Lloris as by far the best 'keeper in the league? ;).
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I never said that he is by far the best in the league. I think that he's among the best, ability wise speaking. Hugo Lloris in his first 2 seasons at Spurs has pretty much proved that, despite being inconsistent last season. Imo the best are Courtois/De Gea and Hart, then in the second bracket you have players like Lloris and Fraser Forster currently speaking.
 
zzeezzy said:
If Arsenal are willing to pay up the price, which people so far have said they are not, I could perhaps see him going there over us because they have stronger French connection with Wenger especially etc.
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It's not the price that's the issue apparently. It's if United will offer more wages. There's no question in if Wenger would offer £24 million for his top transfer target. He's a bargain. It would be interesting because Arsene Wenger actually convinced Southampton to sign Schneiderlin just under a decade ago and he knew about him from his Strasbourg days.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
The same way you have Lloris as by far the best 'keeper in the league? ;).
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Just because you don't agree with some on my previous opinions doesn't automatically make what I say null and void. You haven't even said anything credible against my point. Schneiderlin had not much to prove thus far. Luck at the Saint's defensive record, interceptions and tackles per game and tell me if my point is stupid.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
We came very close on more than one occasion. We just never had the know how, or a Roy Keane type, to drag us over the line. Throw in James concentration wondering and there was the key differences over a season.

The side Evans assembled was ridiculously talented. Redknapp, when fit, McManaman, Fowler, Collymore, Robbie Jones would all of been regulars at Utd. Scales was as classy as they came at centre half when he was fit. Mark Wright, the back end when he turned it around was up there with Pallister. Mickey Thomas, another excellent English player. John Barnes, when his legs went, moving inside and dictating from the middle. And Rushies invaluable experience.

Individually, we had a more talented bunch. Honestly, the only Utd players I'd of take over what we had at that time is Irwin at left back, possibly Pallister for the middle of the defence; Giggs on the left and Keane and Shmeichel. Scholes and Redknapp are a wash. Redknapp had everything and was the complete midfielder but staying healthy was his problem.

Collectively, we could never quite finish the job where to your credit you did.

But the attacking football we played in the '90's was up there and oft times better than anything else in the Country. '96 is a prime example. The football we played on a consistent basis through the 26 game unbeaten run was ridiculous. Every game. We battered Utd twice (even if we did get robbed in Cantona's comeback game at OT) and put ourselves right back in the hunt. Then fell away the run-in culminating in the worst Cup Final ever with both sides scared to lose face to the other. Being able to grind out the wins along with that is what separates the very best. And we couldn't.

I'm not taking away from what you achieved which was phenomenally consistent.

Just bemoaning what we didn't with the talent we had which individually across the board was a better squad.

But having a more talented group is only a smart part in the equation.
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I cant tell if your being serious here or not. Your saying Liverpool had a better starting 11 than United and the only players you would have taken is Schmeichel, Irwin, Pallister, Giggs and Keane? So thats 5 United and 6 Liverpool. So your saying them 5 players (even though the other 6 were the best in the league apparently) put you behind the likes of Blackburn, Newcastle, Arsenal and even Leeds at times?

Robbie Jones? Seriously? Ian Rush? You put him above Mark Hughes in the early 90's?

You had a more talented squad individually across the board? Come on now haha. Player for player. Considering we had "kids" for the majority of that time. The only position you had a run on us for a few years was right back while Gary Neville was finding his feet. You have already said you would have had Irwin and Pallister. I dont know who you think was that much better than Bruce although I did like Wright. Ince and Robson in the middle. Even at that age Robson was still bossing it with Ince alongside him. I'll give you Barnes on that one but thats purely down to age. Giggs over McManaman all day. Cole over Fowler. Hughes over Rush. Cantona over everybody. McAteer? Nicky **** **** all over him even as a kid. Scholes? Beckham? And ive not even got on to the rest of the squad yet. Who was your equivalent to Sharpe and Kanchelskis in your squad that was better? Kanchelskis could rip anyone apart, but obviously we had Giggs and then the falling out with Fergie. Even Sharpe on his day. I could go on.

I honestly cant see where you get man for man you had a better squad from.
 
There is little that can be said about Schneiderlin that doesn't justify his value. Why is he almost upwards of £30 million?

Because he's only 24, consistently performed better than most of his peers at the highest level for the last three years, in one of Europe's best leagues, behind arguably its best in Nemanja Matic.

He performs better in some areas at his position than most other players can in others. That's what makes him so good, and then some. Clubs are hard-pressed to find similar players because there isn't a litany of them for cheap who can match that criteria. If there were, he wouldn't be nearly that much of a premium.

If that can't convince some detractors, then there really isn't anything that can.
 
steveorobbo said:
I cant tell if your being serious here or not. Your saying Liverpool had a better starting 11 than United and the only players you would have taken is Schmeichel, Irwin, Pallister, Giggs and Keane? So thats 5 United and 6 Liverpool. So your saying them 5 players (even though the other 6 were the best in the league apparently) put you behind the likes of Blackburn, Newcastle, Arsenal and even Leeds at times? .....
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We can go around on this and debate this all day but yes, deadly serious. Player for player, Evans assembled a better group. But for all the reasons listed, Ferguson to his credit got more out of yours.

And to the quote, I'd maybe add Cantona for that something different. But Fowler and Collymore had such an understanding as a partnership and were equally talented in their own right that's a wash and debatable whether you'd break that up.

The fact that Liverpool side woefully under achieved and didn't win half as much as it should of doesn't detract from the top talents involved and the calibre of football they produced.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Hey, I sincerely hope you go drop £25 million on him.

Still not convinced you'd be getting much more for your buck than someone like Song in a Utd shirt. Like he was at Arsenal.

Schweinsteiger on the other hand I would much rather stayed in Germany.
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In my opinion, selling nearly all of those players was a mistake. The criticisms of Özil and Di Maria pretty much had ruined the piece. RM were pretty trophyless this year due to their midfield's failure to step up. Di Maria and Özil felt no longer wanted. Di Maria has only had his first season in the league and Özil has had 9 months worth of injuries for us. RM lack width after selling Di Maria and they don't have a no 10 comparable to Özil. Other players like Robben, Sneidjer and Van Der Vaart were huge mistakes. In the past two years, their squad quality has arguably regressed. Higuain is another one that has felt unwanted and now Real Madrid have no striker bar Benzema. Ozil for Madrid was their best player by a mile, bar Ronaldo. Fans were chanting 'don't sell Özil' in matches. If they still had had him, Di Maria, Xabi Alonso and Higuain then their wallet would be much better placed, as well as their current squad.
 
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Watching Florentino Pérez squirm a little has been the better part of this summer so far.
 
damola3 said:
Just because you don't agree with some on my previous opinions doesn't automatically make what I say null and void. You haven't even said anything credible against my point. Schneiderlin had not much to prove thus far. Luck at the Saint's defensive record, interceptions and tackles per game and tell me if my point is stupid.
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You're grave wrong if you think playing for mediocre club and arguably the biggest club in the world is the same. He has so much to prove. But he fact is, he is one of the better midfielder in England and should suit United style. I would love to see him in Manchester.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
We came very close on more than one occasion. We just never had the know how, or a Roy Keane type, to drag us over the line. Throw in James concentration wondering and there was the key differences over a season.

The side Evans assembled was ridiculously talented. Redknapp, when fit, McManaman, Fowler, Collymore, Robbie Jones would all of been regulars at Utd. Scales was as classy as they came at centre half when he was fit. Mark Wright, the back end when he turned it around was up there with Pallister. Mickey Thomas, another excellent English player. John Barnes, when his legs went, moving inside and dictating from the middle. And Rushies invaluable experience.

Individually, we had a more talented bunch. Honestly, the only Utd players I'd of take over what we had at that time is Irwin at left back, possibly Pallister for the middle of the defence; Giggs on the left and Keane and Shmeichel. Scholes and Redknapp are a wash. Redknapp had everything and was the complete midfielder but staying healthy was his problem.

Collectively, we could never quite finish the job where to your credit you did.

But the attacking football we played in the '90's was up there and oft times better than anything else in the Country. '96 is a prime example. The football we played on a consistent basis through the 26 game unbeaten run was ridiculous. Every game. We battered Utd twice (even if we did get robbed in Cantona's comeback game at OT) and put ourselves right back in the hunt. Then fell away the run-in culminating in the worst Cup Final ever with both sides scared to lose face to the other. Being able to grind out the wins along with that is what separates the very best. And we couldn't.

I'm not taking away from what you achieved which was phenomenally consistent.

Just bemoaning what we didn't with the talent we had which individually across the board was a better squad.

But having a more talented group is only a smart part in the equation.
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This is what I said in the first post. You are just overrating players.
 
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