The Manchester United Thread

And the Cup Winners.

The ******* absolute irony being Chelsea, a club with jack **** history in relation, find a Russian saviour and become the first British side to win all three. Bastards.

And it's still on for Utd. One thing we can no longer do as the Cup Winners Cup is no more.



Oi chewsea are a great club with great traditions innit.
 
Scraping the UEFA Cup was the dumbest thing UEFA ever did. Seriously.

That's a bold statement, considering the relaxation of the FFP rules and the allegations of corruption...
 
I am ****** that he shows no passion in a win or die scenario. I personally don't like it as i like a bit of passion in my managers, but I do get that others may not agree on that.

I don't think anyone has a problem with managers showing passion. Its just that people seem to convinced that manager being passionate on the sideline actually impacts results. It doesn't. Going apeshit on the sideline is just posturing for the fans and the media. The reality is, players can't even hear whatever the **** manager is shouting, and they don't have time to look at what he is signaling, either.
 
I don't think anyone has a problem with managers showing passion. Its just that people seem to convinced that manager being passionate on the sideline actually impacts results. It doesn't. Going apeshit on the sideline is just posturing for the fans and the media. The reality is, players can't even hear whatever the **** manager is shouting, and they don't have time to look at what he is signaling, either.


I dunno if i saw Keane doing it i'd improve my desire and ability quite a bit.
 
Why ship out Wilson, Welbeck, Chicharito and Januzaj though? This is one of my bug bears with LVG, the decision of players he has let go looks rather bad when tonight they would of all offered something.

Same could be said about Rafael, losing him and we've ended up playing total youngster.
 
Why ship out Wilson, Welbeck, Chicharito and Januzaj though? This is one of my bug bears with LVG, the decision of players he has let go looks rather bad when tonight they would of all offered something.

Same could be said about Rafael, losing him and we've ended up playing total youngster.


Them four are attacking players mate.
 
Them four are attacking players mate.

Yeh but they would of all offered options tonight which are better than what we have on the bench, squad players would contribute a lot now considering we're down to the bare bones because of injuries.
 
On a serious note which i haven't been most of the night. Why did he drop the 433? them few games last season we looked class.
 
Why ship out Wilson, Welbeck, Chicharito and Januzaj though? This is one of my bug bears with LVG, the decision of players he has let go looks rather bad when tonight they would of all offered something.

Same could be said about Rafael, losing him and we've ended up playing total youngster.

Pretty sure you did nothing but cry about Welbeck when he was here. Same with Chicharito. Wilson? Where, over Martial? No. Januzaj did nothing last season and has done nothing for Dortmund thus far. IIRC he also asked to go on loan.

Who else has he let go?

Rafael - Didn't get it, but replaced with Darmian.
Evans - Anyone gonna argue this was a bad decision?
Evra - Had something to offer, but wouldn't be missed if not for the Shaw injury. Was also clearly on the wane in his final seasons.
Nani - Pretty sure me and Sunil were the only ones here who wanted him to stay.
Kagawa - Never came off for him here.
RVP - Was **** in his final year.
Chicharito - Offered nothing but goals and never showed his finishing ability last year. Can see why he was shipped.
 
Pretty sure you did nothing but cry about Welbeck when he was here. Same with Chicharito. Wilson? Where, over Martial? No. Januzaj did nothing last season and has done nothing for Dortmund thus far. IIRC he also asked to go on loan.

Who else has he let go?

Rafael - Didn't get it, but replaced with Darmian.
Evans - Anyone gonna argue this was a bad decision?
Evra - Had something to offer, but wouldn't be missed if not for the Shaw injury. Was also clearly on the wane in his final seasons.
Nani - Pretty sure me and Sunil were the only ones here who wanted him to stay.
Kagawa - Never came off for him here.
RVP - Was **** in his final year.
Chicharito - Offered nothing but goals and never showed his finishing ability last year. Can see why he was shipped.

Some are perfectly acceptable, others look more and more questionable as time passes. I wasn't a massive fan of Welbeck but I certainly didn't cry over him, he was a great option to have in terms of the squad. Rafael would of been a great option to have still.

Would of kept Januzaj because we aren't blessed with attacking options, bringing on Powell is desperation really in a game like this, at least with Januzaj you know he has that momen of magic in him. I would start Martial over Chicharito, but when you've got no other option as a striker it's kind of silly that we're expecting him to do it all this season, only 20 after all.

Wilson don't get that either, like I say, we're short on strikers, he could of had experience here this season, in fact right now in this situation it was a great opportunity. Even if he was behind Martial in PL, surely he can get games in Europa league which would of been good experience and also FA Cup.
 
Why ship out Wilson, Welbeck, Chicharito and Januzaj though? This is one of my bug bears with LVG, the decision of players he has let go looks rather bad when tonight they would of all offered something.

Same could be said about Rafael, losing him and we've ended up playing total youngster.

This is totally revisionist. You've not said a word in two months, either
 
Yeah must be why Keane had such a success.

The very same Roy 'bursting with passion' Keane who jumped ship from Aston Villa at the first sign of trouble. Better off sticking to punditry. Talk is cheap but proper work isn't
 
I personally think that history will look fondly on LVG. He's been given 3 years to build the foundations of a team for the next decade (Martial, Depay, Herrera, Shaw, Darmian etc.) have the potential to be mainstays in the side for years to come. He's playing the football he feels is necessary to maintain our league position while doing it. Dislike it all you want, but right now, it's effective in the only measure that really matters - points. People act like he's inherently a defensive manager, when he's historically built many attacking sides. He's just pragmatic, and does what he feels is necessary according to his squad's strengths/weaknesses.

He has his methods/philosophy and admirably sticks by them no matter what. At almost every club he's managed at he's attracted the ire of fans/media in one way or another, but he almost always leaves them in a better way than he left them, while winning trophies.

Finally, we've been spoilt by the unprecedented consistent levels of success that Fergie achieved. We're in transition - stop expecting everything while we are. Every big club goes through peaks and troughs - for years at a time. Barcelona, Bayern, Madrid (who last had a GREAT team, when?) etc. all have spent years at a time in the wilderness. Put his performance into the context of what he's been asked to do, rather the unrealistic expectations he's being held to, and judge him then.

You can't help feeling sorry for LVG sometimes. He lays the foundation for these fantastic teams at Bayern, Barcelona and perhaps even United but he is packed off before the team truly hits their peak allowing the next manager to collect the subsequent trophies
 
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