That doesn't mean the season hasn't turned horrible for United.
Another angle is, team like Leicester are top of the table, which makes United position even worse.
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That doesn't mean the season hasn't turned horrible for United.
Another angle is, team like Leicester are top of the table, which makes United position even worse.
Still scratching my head why the **** LVG didn't play Schneiderlin or Varela (Young is never a RB) with Young further forward. Right now, if our board don't want Mourinho (which is a possibility with Sir Bobby) we are stuck with this same old football under LVG until end of the season which is not even going to get us in the top 4.
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Gonna' preface this by saying I watched the game in the pub prior to our game, and I had one eye on that, one eye on divvying out Stoke and Exeter tickets; and both those eyes uncannily falling back on a smoking brunette sat the next table. So I wasn't half as invested on Utd as you doubtless were. But even at that it looked like he's completely lost most all the players. Rooney's rallying call seems to be more or less a one man band. Little fight right across the board with players just going through the motions. The worse thing you could possibly do is give him more money to spend in January. Don't get me wrong, I personally hope you do and he stays to drag you down further. But realistically this has to end and has to end quickly.
Nobody's happy. The players aren't happy. The fans certainly aren't happy with the tedium on the pitch now compounded by the results that have been coming all year. And he's that dogmatically stubborn nothing is going to change. To stick with him just for the sake of continuity would be to Utd's detriment.
Nobody's happy. The players aren't happy. The fans certainly aren't happy with the tedium on the pitch now compounded by the results that have been coming all year. And he's that dogmatically stubborn nothing is going to change. To stick with him just for the sake of continuity would be to Utd's detriment.
Like I've already said, Van Gaal certainly did mess plenty of thing up - not grabbing Pedro was a particularily big mistake. And it was definitely too much of a gamble to count on Rooney and Memphis hitting big form.
But, the #philosophy more or less worked for 16 months. It wasn't pretty, but he had results. So you can't honestly just flag the curent disaster purely as "bad tactics". A lot of it is down to not having any fullbacks. You're reduced to playing left winger as RB and central mifielder as LB, and it painfully shows throughout every game.
With Shaw and Darmian, it was a completely different team. Nothing would go through the wings. Now the wings are open 24/7. And the makeshit fullbacks know very well that they're ****. They're afraid to provide attacking support, and you're often man down when going forward.
But, the #philosophy more or less worked for 16 months. It wasn't pretty, but he had results. So you can't honestly just flag the curent disaster purely as "bad tactics". A lot of it is down to not having any fullbacks. You're reduced to playing left winger as RB and central mifielder as LB, and it painfully shows throughout every game.
With Shaw and Darmian, it was a completely different team. Nothing would go through the wings. Now the wings are open 24/7. And the makeshit fullbacks know very well that they're ****. They're afraid to provide attacking support, and you're often man down when going forward.
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See, you say it 'more or less worked' for 16 months Tyton but results masked a **** of a lot if everyones honest. Utd barely made the top 4 last year and leaned so much on DDG it was untrue. Even when our shower disgracefully packed it in after we lost at home to Utd, they still spent the last 9 games trying everything they could to let us back into it. And it's rolled onto this year.
I have a weekly match text back and forth with a friend from Eccles who I used to work with. Manchester lad. Season ticket holder who doesn't get to as many games as he used to through one thing or another, but is still a European away regular and a good quota of aways. And he's become more and more deflated the longer it's gone on under Van Gaal. Even when they hit top spot this year, there was no real excitement as, in his words, 'results were just papering over the cracks of some awfully negative and poor performances.' And today's text in the last 10 minutes, before I could even 'skit him, was 'Nothing nobody here at Stoke didn't expect.' Even with the injuries you mentioned, Utd fans should be expecting a **** of a lot more from the XI out there at Stoke.
The match going supporter at Utd hasn't been fooled for long enough by Van Gaal and there's not been a real swell behind him up here for long enough. That type of football only takes you so far and when the goals dry up, the media suddenly turn like it's an anomaly. Those paying hard earned money to watch it will tell you it's not and they've more than had enough of him and his boring *** stubbornness.
Take that FWIW. Most get their back up and can't take any criticism. Not least from a (hated) Liverpudlian. Just relaying Mike's general view.
I have a weekly match text back and forth with a friend from Eccles who I used to work with. Manchester lad. Season ticket holder who doesn't get to as many games as he used to through one thing or another, but is still a European away regular and a good quota of aways. And he's become more and more deflated the longer it's gone on under Van Gaal. Even when they hit top spot this year, there was no real excitement as, in his words, 'results were just papering over the cracks of some awfully negative and poor performances.' And today's text in the last 10 minutes, before I could even 'skit him, was 'Nothing nobody here at Stoke didn't expect.' Even with the injuries you mentioned, Utd fans should be expecting a **** of a lot more from the XI out there at Stoke.
The match going supporter at Utd hasn't been fooled for long enough by Van Gaal and there's not been a real swell behind him up here for long enough. That type of football only takes you so far and when the goals dry up, the media suddenly turn like it's an anomaly. Those paying hard earned money to watch it will tell you it's not and they've more than had enough of him and his boring *** stubbornness.
Take that FWIW. Most get their back up and can't take any criticism. Not least from a (hated) Liverpudlian. Just relaying Mike's general view.
This is all true, no arguments from me. But then lets be honest here, had they still be sitting at top of the table, the moans about style would be minimal. I imagine most people assumed (rightfully in my opinion) that the man is building the team for the future, that he's building it from the back, and that good football will come once he gets the right people for it. We know his teams can play attacking football, because he's proven it everywhere he worked. The man has been a poster child for attacking philosophy his entire career, he didn't just forget it once he turned 60.
In the meantime though, he needs to compromise to get results. That's what stopped working, and that's what he needed to fix.
Our 'important decision makers' of the club will not have the balls or willingness to sack LVG anyway unless the situation starts affecting financially the brand. Right now we're outside of top 4 by 3 pts, so it's on the verge. But question is whether they will leave it too late to salvage getting back in the top 4 like they did with Moyes.
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Mourinho being on the market puts a completely different slant on that now though surely?
I'm with you and one or two others and would hate to see him at Utd for a variety of reasons if I supported them. But surely the Glaziers have to be seriously eyeing him now.
I imagine it will be a hard decision to come to as certain members on our board don't like Mourinho and therefore we may end up having to give LVG longer because there is no one else. However the more time you give LVG the more chance we'll have too much damage to repair this season.
They will take him if they can't get Guardiola, and bank on Giggs being the balancing force.
The smart ones will be putting break clauses in his contract and keeping an eye on Neville for the next 18 months.
They gave him the ultimatum due. he himself said he might resign.
The only reason he wasn't fired was because the club didnt want to go back on their word, and its alomost certainly his last job
Mourinho's charming personality aside, I have serious issue with the idea that he would be the best person to "repair the season", should that be necessary. For better or worse, Van Gaal has rebuild the entire squad, and he did it in a way that's against everything Mourinho stands for.
Precisely, which makes this decision all the more important not only for this season but seasons to come. Personally I don't want Mourinho but you get the sense that we probably now have to because this LVG era seems beyond being salvaged in any way, shape or form.
LVG will get Chelsea game regardless I imagine so unless he can get a good result there I think the writing is on the wall and he will be gone. I really wanted it to work but seems it wasn't meant to be.
True that - but bad planning as well cos he didnt bring in able understudies.
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Do you guys realize we could be 10th in the epl on Monday if we fail to beat chelsea? Lol
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With how completely inconsistent this league is the season is still far from lost.
Exactly. The entire table is so compressed, in 2 months almost every team is just as likely to be top, as they are to be in relegation.
We need somone who can give instant results. We are sliding far too down than few realise. Just check your posts, always talking about top 4 has already became norm for fans when we as a club we should be talking about title challenge and winning league. That's what managers like Jose will bring to the club. All the short rebuilding and challenge for the title before every goes **** up. But at least that gives some buffer time for club to search for better candidates.
All theses if we fail to sign Pep.
Also Mane played against big team once again and was constant threat with his direct approach. His work rate is superb too. We should be trying everything to sign him. He has all the attributes to be a big hit at United.