The Manchester United Thread

Just kind of wondering where we're heading as a club right now when Mourinho is using Pogba as his sacrificial lamb. Don't get me wrong he hasn't been good in his last few games but it's not fair to single him out, when Mourinho doesn't say a bad word about his favourites such as Matic.

I honestly just do not see where we are going right now, if the board is still behind Mourinho and they get rid of Pogba.... we will always wonder what could have been under a different manager. A world-cup winning midfielder and one of theist in Europe before he came to United, we're lead to believe that he is the reason for our problems.

You all know what I think of it, but come next season I believe Pogba will be gone. The way it's going it could be both him and Mourinho. It's one thing for a new manager to come in and build a style but to do it with some of our best players leaving is another thing.
 
If he puts the effort in and follows what the manager wants he will play it’s not rocket science. Ex Players and pundits criticising him the last few weeks are right. Doesn’t put in the effort. When he has the ball he tries to hard to beat everyone and hangs onto the ball to long. Then when he loses it or ends up on his *** after being tackled, he throws his arms and legs around in a hissy fit. ****** me off!

Blind made add a good point in a Dutch TV interview the other day. Spot on imo! Danny Blind: “He (Pogba) wants to shake off opponents by showing them his strength, a *double shoulder push before he turns with the ball. In the PL, all of his opponents are equally strong, physically. He just can't do it. Make him pass the ball direct and simply and use his quality.” #mufc [Mail]
 
Heard Giggs on BeInsports the other day - It was get the ball and move it on to a red shirt, then make a move to be able to receive it - not rocket science for Pogba to understand.
 
Hard to argue that you've been playing with more intensity since Pogba was dropped.
 
Good to hear him admit it, but Lukaku has been atrocious lets be honest and we're nearly half way into a season. I'll continue to support him, but this next half of the season want to see a vast improvement. I understand he has supposedly bulked up but apart from scoring a few tap ins, he has offered next to nothing when he has been in the team.

He deserves a chance to put it right because he scored 27 goals last season but I still have doubts whether he is ever going to be good enough for us as an all round striker. Especially when we (hopefully) bring in a more progressive manager.
 
zzeezzy said:
Good to hear him admit it, but Lukaku has been atrocious lets be honest and we're nearly half way into a season. I'll continue to support him, but this next half of the season want to see a vast improvement. I understand he has supposedly bulked up but apart from scoring a few tap ins, he has offered next to nothing when he has been in the team.

He deserves a chance to put it right because he scored 27 goals last season but I still have doubts whether he is ever going to be good enough for us as an all round striker. Especially when we (hopefully) bring in a more progressive manager.
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Defo seen steady improvement since the Saints game. Hopefully that’s him getting fitter/ his body sorted out. You could tell the last few matches especially against Fulham he was runner big the channels more and chasing lost causes. Still a top str in my eyes. Dalot keeps whipping in those crosses. Lukaku will be eating them up. I counted about 5 crosses no. Of our players where close to as the simply don’t expect them. Why would they with Valencia being the way he is now.

Also keep Mata in the team. He will get Lukaku the ball.
 

An addition to the United's UYL squad. Shoretire (born 04) is travelling to Valencia with the U19s for Wednesday's game. If you wanted proof of how well thought of he is at United, this is as clear as it'll come. Only Angel Gomes can come close to matching this trajectory.

Another one to remember the name. He will be up there maybe even better than Greenwood potentially!


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This is why we need a DOF!


United were recommended Frenkie de Jong and Matthijs de Ligt before they made their first-team debuts with Ajax, according to the club's former head of youth recruitment, Derek Langley.

Had United chiefs listened to Langley's recommendation, though, it could have been very different.

"Players that they turned down? Matthijs de Ligt. We had God knows how many reports on Matthijs de Ligt. Frenkie de Jong and all these players now are sort of around Europe," the 68-year-old told MEN Sport. "Dayot Upamecano, who is now at Red Bull Leipzig, was another.

"This was one of the reasons why I had a meeting with Ed Woodward and I told him that I wasn't convinced with the competency of certain people at the club. I told Ed Woodward quite straight: 'If you think I'm going to sit here and just tell you what you want to hear, I'm not that man because I'm going to tell you exactly how I see it'.

"I think it was possibly part of my downfall as to why seven months down the line I was removed because I wouldn't tow the line in relation to telling them exactly what I thought.

"It's one of them things in football - you come to accept it. Manchester United thanked me for the time I spent there and the players I'd taken in, but ultimately we could have been so much better if people had listened."
 
zzeezzy said:
Good to hear him admit it, but Lukaku has been atrocious lets be honest and we're nearly half way into a season. I'll continue to support him, but this next half of the season want to see a vast improvement. I understand he has supposedly bulked up but apart from scoring a few tap ins, he has offered next to nothing when he has been in the team.

He deserves a chance to put it right because he scored 27 goals last season but I still have doubts whether he is ever going to be good enough for us as an all round striker. Especially when we (hopefully) bring in a more progressive manager.
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27 goals is fine. The issue is that the wide players haven't stepped up. Only Martial doing it
 
PLAYERS MISSING FROM TRAINING:


Smalling, Lindelof, Shaw, Sanchez, Martial. ALL CONFIRMED INJURIES.


Dalot & Darmian also missing but expect an update on them in the press conference.


Mason Greenwood & James Garner were part of the group
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
This is why we need a DOF!


United were recommended Frenkie de Jong and Matthijs de Ligt before they made their first-team debuts with Ajax, according to the club's former head of youth recruitment, Derek Langley.

Had United chiefs listened to Langley's recommendation, though, it could have been very different.

"Players that they turned down? Matthijs de Ligt. We had God knows how many reports on Matthijs de Ligt. Frenkie de Jong and all these players now are sort of around Europe," the 68-year-old told MEN Sport. "Dayot Upamecano, who is now at Red Bull Leipzig, was another.

"This was one of the reasons why I had a meeting with Ed Woodward and I told him that I wasn't convinced with the competency of certain people at the club. I told Ed Woodward quite straight: 'If you think I'm going to sit here and just tell you what you want to hear, I'm not that man because I'm going to tell you exactly how I see it'.

"I think it was possibly part of my downfall as to why seven months down the line I was removed because I wouldn't tow the line in relation to telling them exactly what I thought.

"It's one of them things in football - you come to accept it. Manchester United thanked me for the time I spent there and the players I'd taken in, but ultimately we could have been so much better if people had listened."
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If this is true, then the points made by zz are even more relevant. FFS, we have always been crying out our scouting team and their inability to spot players, turns out, it's again Woodward being the piece of **** that he is.
 
Sherkey said:
If this is true, then the points made by zz are even more relevant. FFS, we have always been crying out our scouting team and their inability to spot players, turns out, it's again Woodward being the piece of **** that he is.
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Tbh he’s learnt in that respect. Woodward has played a huge role in our youth revamp with ****, ***, Murtaugh over the last 2/3 yrs. And the whole scouting revamp.
 
Giggs also said that he recommended both Mbappe and Gabriel Jesus, and Woodward wasn't interested.
 
Tyton said:
Giggs also said that he recommended both Mbappe and Gabriel Jesus, and Woodward wasn't interested.
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He didn’t say Woodward wasn’t interested. He said the recruitment department. He also said LVG was partly to blame and also blamed him for some oft hectolitres we sold at the time.
 
Not much point saying "what if" with the De Ligt's, De Jong's & co. because Jose wouldn't have played them anyway, so they wouldn't even be at this current stage of their development. If age wasn't a factor with him, Dalot would be an undisputed starter and Tuanzebe would be 3rd choice CB and one of the chuckle brothers would be at Everton by now.
 
Chuckle brothers have survived 4 managers can’t really put that on José tbf. The idiot that gave them the fat huge contract is more to blame.
 
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