The Manchester United Thread

[Theatre of Dreams83]

We seriously need to stop comparing ourselves to other teams mate! Some big clubs in Europe have done most of their business, I understand that Madrid has worked on deals for months.... but surely we have been also?

Was talking in the prem in general tbh. It’s still early and I never believed all that guff about getting business done by a certain time. It’s all most impossible tbh so many factors in play. Hard to work on deals when we didn’t even have a FT manager not that long ago. Also hard to convince certain players when they are waiting to see where you finish. Sancho prime example!

You sort of contradicted yourself btw. Saying we need to stop comparing ourselves. Then start comparing ourselves to top clubs transfer business

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... Don’t think AWB will take much longer.

I very much doubt any move for anyone currently away on International duty get's concluded whilst they're away, but 'if' any club pays anything like £50 million for someone who's nowhere near the complete FB then they're both desperate and mad.

You can't want Woodward to go away from stupidity and then applaud massively overpaying for someone as raw as Wan-Bisakka.

And I like him a lot as you'll doubtless remember from the last International break of last season when you were arguing he was nowhere near good enough/ a fit for Utd and we had a debate over him. But that's just stupid money.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

I very much doubt any move for anyone currently away on International duty get's concluded whilst they're away, but 'if' any club pays anything like £50 million for someone who's nowhere near the complete FB then they're both desperate and mad.

You can't want Woodward to go away from stupidity and then applaud massively overpaying for someone as raw as Wan-Bisakka.

And I like him a lot as you'll doubtless remember from the last International break of last season when you were arguing he was nowhere near good enough/ a fit for Utd and we had a debate over him. But that's just stupid money.

Said he wasn’t good enough attacking wise. And my preference has always been Meunier. James was allowed to travel to finalise his move while with Wales. Medicals can be done anywhere. Tbh I agree 50m is to much but if it’s who Ole wants then Woodward needs to back him like he has said he would. Can’t make the Jose mistakes again!

 

[Sherkey]

I very much doubt any move for anyone currently away on International duty get's concluded whilst they're away, but 'if' any club pays anything like £50 million for someone who's nowhere near the complete FB then they're both desperate and mad.

You can't want Woodward to go away from stupidity and then applaud massively overpaying for someone as raw as Wan-Bisakka.

And I like him a lot as you'll doubtless remember from the last International break of last season when you were arguing he was nowhere near good enough/ a fit for Utd and we had a debate over him. But that's just stupid money.

That's also the market, mate. Remember, Walker was 50 Mn about a couple of seasons ago. Which was insane then. Although, granted, he was further along than AwB. But AwB looks like he has a higher ceiling. It's all a gamble.

I'm still okay plonking down that money on a younger, upcoming talent with a point to prove, than an overpaid, beyond their prime shirt seller (and that has been Woodward's go-to signings in general)

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

That's also the market, mate. Remember, Walker was 50 Mn about a couple of seasons ago. Which was insane then. Although, granted, he was further along than AwB. But AwB looks like he has a higher ceiling. It's all a gamble.

I'm still okay plonking down that money on a younger, upcoming talent with a point to prove, than an overpaid, beyond their prime shirt seller (and that has been Woodward's go-to signings in general)

Is it? I don't know what the market is right now. A lot of big clubs are getting away from paying stupid money. PSG are following Madrid in getting away from the Galactico model by all accounts for one. Then you get clubs like Palace thinking they can cash in on someone like this after 1 season's worth of experience. The market's not set at all as far as I can see.

I appreciate you're in a massive very desperate situation without the lure of CL football and such an inexperienced manager at the helm but that would still be a crazy fee to pay and go against alll everyone is slamming Woodward for.

And ToD, I know what you said mate. You argued it made absolutely zero sense as you had Laird and he was projected to be far better than AWB, who was P poor going forward, the next few years.

So what gives now in the 3 months following that discussion?

 

[Mike.]

We seriously need to stop comparing ourselves to other teams mate! Some big clubs in Europe have done most of their business, I understand that Madrid has worked on deals for months.... but surely we have been also?

2 big teams. Across the whole of the 5 big leagues.

United are still looking to offload Darmian, they are in talks with 3 clubs.

United need player ins more than outs. They, rightly, won't leave themselves short should any negotiations fail

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Is it? I don't know what the market is right now. A lot of big clubs are getting away from paying stupid money. PSG are following Madrid in getting away from the Galactico model by all accounts for one. Then you get clubs like Palace thinking they can cash in on someone like this after 1 season's worth of experience. The market's not set at all as far as I can see.

I appreciate you're in a massive very desperate situation without the lure of CL football and such an inexperienced manager at the helm but that would still be a crazy fee to pay and go against alll everyone is slamming Woodward for.

And ToD, I know what you said mate. You argued it made absolutely zero sense as you had Laird and he was projected to be far better than AWB, who was P poor going forward, the next few years.

So what gives now in the 3 months following that discussion?

Nothings changed thanks mate. Still think Laird will be better than AWB but only time will tell!

 

[Mike.]

Is it? I don't know what the market is right now. A lot of big clubs are getting away from paying stupid money. PSG are following Madrid in getting away from the Galactico model by all accounts for one. Then you get clubs like Palace thinking they can cash in on someone like this after 1 season's worth of experience. The market's not set at all as far as I can see.

I appreciate you're in a massive very desperate situation without the lure of CL football and such an inexperienced manager at the helm but that would still be a crazy fee to pay and go against alll everyone is slamming Woodward for.

And ToD, I know what you said mate. You argued it made absolutely zero sense as you had Laird and he was projected to be far better than AWB, who was P poor going forward, the next few years.

So what gives now in the 3 months following that discussion?

People think it's like football manger, honestly. Even now, United are trying to make it incentive heavy, If he's an average player, it costs an average amount by good team standards, if he goes on to be brilliant, then they will get a hefty amount but he will earned it.
There's plenty one could criticise United for, but the handling of AWB is actually very good, ditto the handling of Pogba

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

That offer to palace of 35m + 15 in incentives is more than fair imo.

 

[Sherkey]

Is it? I don't know what the market is right now. A lot of big clubs are getting away from paying stupid money. PSG are following Madrid in getting away from the Galactico model by all accounts for one. Then you get clubs like Palace thinking they can cash in on someone like this after 1 season's worth of experience. The market's not set at all as far as I can see.

I appreciate you're in a massive very desperate situation without the lure of CL football and such an inexperienced manager at the helm but that would still be a crazy fee to pay and go against alll everyone is slamming Woodward for.

And ToD, I know what you said mate. You argued it made absolutely zero sense as you had Laird and he was projected to be far better than AWB, who was P poor going forward, the next few years.

So what gives now in the 3 months following that discussion?

But this is similar to the new RM model, isn't it? 60 Mn for Jovic after 1.5 good seasons. Rodrygo for 60Mn, when he has had one good season, and even that in Brazil (the hype around him is pretty high though, but then, it can be argued, it's the same for AwB). And paying similar amounts for Vinicius (which worked out, mind).

I don't know, the point is, paying inflated fees for youngsters has always been the norm, especially talented ones. And United has a history of doing this too (think Rooney and Ferdinand). Of course, I'm not saying every youngster we get will be as successful, there are way more failures than successes. But considering the current situation, it could be a gamble worth taking. You have to think he is an upgrade on both Dalot (at the moment) and Young definitely. But where that puts Dalot on the development scale is a whole other issue that I don't know the answer to.

I'm not slating Woodward for this, it's not an extremely obscene amount of money, especially if you factor in variables. My main worry with how Woodward deals things is the superstar signings (potential) and contract renewals (a la Rashford's supposed obscene demands).

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

People think it's like football manger, honestly. .....

It's a lot of years since I've had the time to sit down and play FM. But isn't that how most deals get done on there with the limited budgets? Heavily incentive based?

 

[Mike.]

It's a lot of years since I've had the time to sit down and play FM. But isn't that how most deals get done on there with the limited budgets? Heavily incentive based?

Most people try to pay up front if they have any budget. But even so, it's not like you can often get all your business done in 3 days like i do in FM

Otherwise we'd be looking at an incredible United midfield

 

[Sherkey]

It's a lot of years since I've had the time to sit down and play FM. But isn't that how most deals get done on there with the limited budgets? Heavily incentive based?

Naw, it's more based on monthly installments in the future. With some variables thrown in. Most clubs on FM don't accept a heavy incentivised deal.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Ta guys. Games changed.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Looking forward to Mctominey progression this season. Keeps getting better and better imo. No guff no fancy stuff. Does what the manager asks down to a T and has a great head on his shoulders.

 

[RhQQ]

Yeah Scotty has won me over. Thought he was bang average for a long time, but his simplistic, efficient approach & general all round work rate is impressive. Can easily be our Fletcher for years to come if he continues to progress.

 

[Tyton]

Big **** approach to Pogba's transfer doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Doesn't Woodward overestimate how much inches he actually has?

This isn't like Ronaldo's transfer to Madrid, when United was knocking the door of CL final every year. Europa League club just can't hold player of Pogba's stature against his will, and if it tries they'll end up looking the bad guys.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

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Source close to Issa Diop says West Ham would sell him for £60m. Manchester United, PSG and Barcelona have contacted his representatives. West Ham want a Manchester United player as part of a potential deal. United not willing to give West Ham the player they want.


Wonder who they want?

 

[zzeezzy]

I like Diop think he's decent but he solves literally nothing we don't already have imo. Rather just play Tuanzebe if I'm honest and even that I'm not all that confident about as a solution. But sooner give him the game time and see him develop.

 

[Mike.]

Big **** approach to Pogba's transfer doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Doesn't Woodward overestimate how much inches he actually has?

This isn't like Ronaldo's transfer to Madrid, when United was knocking the door of CL final every year. Europa League club just can't hold player of Pogba's stature against his will, and if it tries they'll end up looking the bad guys.

Actually, they ******* can. Competition is irrelevant, United have the money to carry with their business without selling him. He's got a contract for another three years. A fair price has been set. Match it or **** off.

I mean, unless you're trolling, this is a complete nonsense of a post. As long as they aren't seeing him to the reserves, they can do whatever the **** they like. And it's working, neither Madrid or Juve are pushing. Perez isn't even a fan. PSG are however willing to pay. So the market has been set.