Tbf he's not the only who's done it. I've seen Wenger interviews that have left me scratching my head at times when Arsenal had a few dodgy matches
If managers like Moyes endure such vitriol for a lot of the opening half of their reign - up to a year - when they make the big step-up, how are they going to really prove their ability at the highest level?
i say this with as much respect as I can. Moyes was good for Everton but united are on another level. He is not now or never will be good enough for a club of our size. A club like Everton is about his level. You don't in any business replace a man whose won everything with a man who's won nothing
He's making the same mistakes, game after game. From rotation to substitutions to performances on the pitch. When any of this starts to improve then I may take this seriously.
Oh and his media handling.
Like he's the only manager to do it? That's why he requires time to learn from them.
Whilst I respect your points, Moyes makes the same mistakes and doesn't seem to learn from them. If he was giving some kind of hope for us fans to cling on to... then we would.
In the main United fans have backed Moyes really well... but it's only going to go so far. Like I said, he keeps making mistakes, his rotation and subs are poor. The comments he keeps making after games is ridiculous like today.... "I thought we played well" and the "Performance was very good". Whos's he kidding? He keeps doing this.
You make it sound like this is hard stuff.... media handling? selecting the right players? Not like he's even coming to players he knows totally nothing about... he's been in charge of Everton for how long?
With which bit? Everton are a big club but united are one of if not the biggest club in the world. Moyes simply is lost with the size of the task and the pressure that you are expected to win every game and challenge for every trophy, something he's not used to being at Everton or preston
Have they ****. The match going ones have, but there's still a significant number in the Moyes out brigade who were on one since he lost his first game. This thread has been full of them for months, and I'd say this forum generally has more sensible people than the norm.
So on one hand people say that this squad won the title last year and Moyes has ruined it, yet the same people are criticising him for not making wholesale changes - which is it? Selecting the right players? I thought we didn't have the right players?
Do you think title winning managers just grow on trees? Everyone starts somewhere.
No not trees but they do take steps along there career until they reach the pinnacle. Moyes skipped about 4 steps. United needed a big time coach with experience of handling a huge club with big players through this period. Moyes is none of these
You make it sound like this is hard stuff.... media handling? selecting the right players? Not like he's even coming to players he knows totally nothing about... he's been in charge of Everton for how long?
With which bit? Everton are a big club but united are one of if not the biggest club in the world. Moyes simply is lost with the size of the task and the pressure that you are expected to win every game and challenge for every trophy, something he's not used to being at Everton or preston
Someone ring Tata Martino. How dare he be allowed to manage Messi, Neymar, Xavi, Iniesta etc.
You might have a point, but it's been our bigger name players who've actually performed. It's the others - the ones who actually have a career to fight for - who've let him down.
Leaving a fit Rafael on the bench at the start.. dafuq?
Funnily enough its the big players who stick up for him. Saw a wonderful off air interview with Vidic ( a player he has "supposedly fallen out with) Interviewer (think it was Geoff Shreeves) asked him if Moyes was right for the club. Vidic snapped back "Of course he is right for the club, I'm sick of hearing this question and people questioning him, we support him, we're right behind him, do not ask me that again" Vidic was so angry he walked off halfway through the next question.
Well, the reason for that decision should be obvious....vs. Stoke he wanted more then 2 players who can compete in the air. Especially since you lost Vidic. So that's why Smalling on the right instead of Rafael.
Why hasn't he committed future to the club then if he's all for Moyes? It's not like he's not needed or not a key player.
That's a fair point, but Rafael could of caused them more problems going forward than Smalling would. So it;s arguable, I mean if Rafael played we could of perhaps penned them back more.
Because he is 33 and might not be getting the deal he wants.