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Don't compare SAF's celebrations to Moyes' celebration. When SAF it was genuine happiness that he was getting a reward for his hard work and tactics.

Moyes' celebration looked painfully awkward and desperate.
 
The most irritating thing is the players actually played really, incredibly high intensity, and executed the game plan really well. Shame the game plan was to cross ad infinitum.

Which plan was very different than in other matches this season ...oO)
 
Don't compare SAF's celebrations to Moyes' celebration. When SAF it was genuine happiness that he was getting a reward for his hard work and tactics.

Moyes' celebration looked painfully awkward and desperate.

Tbf not surprised. There's been some absolutely absurd comments from "fans".

And tbh I've done similar celebrations myself when we've come back against "lesser" teams. We're only human after all
 
We can't even beat to a team who lost at home to 10 man Sheffield United. The plan B in this game was Januzaj... but it was still just CROSS CROSS CROSS CROSS CROSS CROSS CROSS.

Was this the great plan Mata was bought for?
Clearly Mata doesn't fit into our tactics. We should have gone for Jarvis instead.
 
Theoretical question - just how bad Moyes has to be to get fired?
 
Apparently Moyes's celebration was aimed towards the directors box. There has to be something going on behind the scenes then
 
Theoretical question - just how bad Moyes has to be to get fired?

He's done marvellous so far.. he's kept on lowering the expectations of this season... so I think anything above the relegation zone would still be good enough for some fans with blind faith.

Even Fergie had good signs in the first season, I've literally seen absolutely nothing from Moyes which makes me want him as the manager for us.
 
Theoretical question - just how bad Moyes has to be to get fired?

If the board has any ounce of common sense they should wait until 2nd season then judge. Out with the old squad in with the new during summer.

As long as they don't jump the gun and listen to the Moyes haters thats the most important thing.
 
If the board has any ounce of common sense they should wait until 2nd season then judge. Out with the old squad in with the new during summer

Dude... drop it... seriously... these aren't bad players at all.... you still can stamp some kind of blueprint with them. Today proved his pedigree to try and change a game... there wasn't any.. it was just.. cross cross cross.

Honestly how well has he done to make you think it's down to the calibre of players rather than his coaching or tactics.

THESE ARE GOOD PLAYERS WHICH ARE CAPABLE OF TOP 4..... NOT FIGHTING FOR TOP 10.
 
If the board has any ounce of common sense they should wait until 2nd season then judge. Out with the old squad in with the new during summer
You mean give him free reign in the transfer window and probably a transfer budget of 200m? This manager whose tactic today, playing against the weakest team in EPL at HOME, is to send massive amount of crosses into the box and hope we would score from them?
 
I'm done posting on this thread until common sense prevails.
 
Which plan was very different than in other matches this season ...oO)

Actually we'd been crossing the same amount as we had under Ferguson since the start of 09/10 season. Which says a lot about the football we have been playing the last few seasons. Which also makes this game even more startling.
 
You mean give him free reign in the transfer window and probably a transfer budget of 200m? This manager whose tactic today, playing against the weakest team in EPL at HOME, is to send massive amount of crosses into the box and hope we would score from them?

Did you honestly not expect the club to give him a proper window to sign his own players after one season? If not you really don't know our club well.
 
Actually we'd been crossing the same amount as we had under Ferguson since the start of 09/10 season. Which says a lot about the football we have been playing the last few seasons. Which also makes this game even more startling.

We've never crossed as much as we did this game, but..

People act like it's new for us to play like this. Tactically we're pretty much the exact same as we were last season. And the season before that. Solid defence (which has disappeared this year), a semi-functional but ugly midfield carried by Carrick, overlapping full backs, cross it in, hope our strikers win it. It's the quality of the performance that has disappeared. Rafael's form has vanished, Evra's decline defensively, Evans has been our only consistent CB, last season we had Rio having one last swansong, Carrick hasn't been at the same level, Cleverley has been worse, RVP has been injured. We can of course debate all we like why that is.
 
The core areas of the squad is the same from 2008. Defence and midfield. These are the positions you need to build through continuity. They have been so used to the Ferguson regime that I genuinely believe the hunger and desire they have to essentially start all over again with the new management is there. They want to win games but it's easy to see that the likes of Vidic, Rio, Evra are going in the summer. They are slower and less emphatic about their roles. To an extent I don't blame them. Evra hasn't had any competition since Heinze left. He needs a break as he physically isn't capable enough anymore but no one can do the job to rely on. We should have been using Jones / Smalling / Evans more regularly at CB a year or two ago.

Our wingers frankly aren't good enough but having said that they have improved on from last season. An overhaul is required.
 
We played with some serious intensity tonight, shame the game plan itself was awful in the first half, but with more variation in the second. Even then 19/20 out we still would have nicked that game too. Can't make errors like we did for the goals, regardless of how you play. Keep the same intensity for Wednesday, keep the second half approach and the Arsenal game will be a cracker. Both teams will want to bounce back.
 
The core areas of the squad is the same from 2008. Defence and midfield. These are the positions you need to build through continuity. They have been so used to the Ferguson regime that I genuinely believe the hunger and desire they have to essentially start all over again with the new management is there. They want to win games but it's easy to see that the likes of Vidic, Rio, Evra are going in the summer. They are slower and less emphatic about their roles. To an extent I don't blame them. Evra hasn't had any competition since Heinze left. He needs a break as he physically isn't capable enough anymore but no one can do the job to rely on. We should have been using Jones / Smalling / Evans more regularly at CB a year or two ago.

Our wingers frankly aren't good enough but having said that they have improved on from last season. An overhaul is required.
Agreed, and this summer is going to be massive, it always was going to be. Anyone who though Vidic didn't care because he was leaving didn't watch him today, but you can see he is slowing ( was never really quick though)

We've never crossed as much as we did this game, but..

People act like it's new for us to play like this. Tactically we're pretty much the exact same as we were last season. And the season before that. Solid defence (which has disappeared this year), a semi-functional but ugly midfield carried by Carrick, overlapping full backs, cross it in, hope our strikers win it. It's the quality of the performance that has disappeared. Rafael's form has vanished, Evra's decline defensively, Evans has been our only consistent CB, last season we had Rio having one last swansong, Carrick hasn't been at the same level, Cleverley has been worse, RVP has been injured. We can of course debate all we like why that is.

We looked better when Carrick tried to step through the middle.
 
Agreed, and this summer is going to be massive, it always was going to be. Anyone who though Vidic didn't care because he was leaving didn't watch him today, but you can see he is slowing ( was never really quick though)



We looked better when Carrick tried to step through the middle.

Oh yeh about that... why would Moyes say earlier in the season Vidic is the best defender he's ever worked with and then when it comes to February... it's a decision we "mutually agreed".

Not only are we losing our captain.. we now have another huge gap to fill in the summer a long with nearly every other position it seems.
 
Oh yeh about that... why would Moyes say earlier in the season Vidic is the best defender he's ever worked with and then when it comes to February... it's a decision we "mutually agreed".

Not only are we losing our captain.. we now have another huge gap to fill in the summer a long with nearly every other position it seems.

Because he has been no where his peak level and it's pointless to carry on blocking Jones' development out of sentiment.
 
Because he has been no where his peak level and it's pointless to carry on blocking Jones' development out of sentiment.

Play Jones alongside Vidic... you need experience at the back still. Just because he is declining a bit doesn't mean to say he isn't a better option than Smalling and Evans.
 
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