Not taking that away from him, but we need someone for the next 3-4 years.
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And is Moyes the man to do it? On this form, ******* **** no. The most interesting bit is that giving him summer to do something when your windows so far have either been useless - summer - or resulted in you buying a very good player who's done absolutely nothing so far - winter - seems pretty illogical.
To be fair last season so many Chelsea fans were expecting Fellaini to join us because of the whole Belgian thing and they really wanted him but not me. For me he A) Plays far better in a 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 and B) Better when closer to the goal and you do neither of them for him. That along with over paying for him when you could have got him for a little less a month ago or so not Moyes's fault but it doesn't look good on him. As you said Utd don't really sign "top top players" so why did they spend the whole summer trying to sign one (Tiago, Fabregas)? Its just been very poor management from the top, to Moyes to the players, think this was always going to be a case of "you don't want to be the man to follow Ferguson but you want to be the man who follows the man who follows Ferguson".
I think if Van Gaal had a straight choice infront of him of Spurs or Utd then there is no way he is heading to North London (unless all flights to the Manchester area are cancelled and he has to fly to London first).
I agree you do and i have been one of the rare opposition fans backing Moyes and not for the reasons of Utd failing but because i felt it would get better etc etc but i'm starting to think differently.
I've never said he is the right man or not. But not having a clear plan to replace him ( or any manager) is a ******* waste of time.
Well if they don't play for him, they're not fit to wear the Utd shirt. Fergie said what he did at his leaving for his reason. If people aren't prepared to do that and wait until the deadwood is gone then...well. what can you say.
and I'm not saying it either because it's DM-it's the same for all managers. They should be given time-especially when the current squad simply isn't good enough. You can only do so much with what you have. There's too many panic firings up and down the leagues at the moment and we don't want to see another one
Van Gaal would pick Spurs over United?
To be fair, could you see this drivel of football under De Boer? At least it would be a bit more adventurous at the very least.
For me, if he gets the right players, removes the dross, and gets sacked, I could just about live with that. For me not just about the summer, but if he hits the ground running in the summer. Everyone has their lines, for me its the player turnover. He lives and dies by it.
To be fair I would say the same if you look at Moyes at Everton and Moyes now. Because Everton played some very very good football under him.
Apparently he has signed a contract. If not, different story...
Mate if you are going to be an ****, you'll be off this forum sharpish.
On the contrary man, the sooner you boot him the sooner you can start working on a plan to replace him. Assistant can finish this season, its lost anyway. Its Manchester United, I'm sure you can poach somebody more capable in the summer.
If you don't make it past Olympiakos , Moyes needs to get the fired, "United way" or not.
We can rationalize things all day long but the hard truth is I have never seen team fall apart so rapidly. Players age and teams fade away all the time, but there's always some of that old spark left, the glimpses of when things were good, people pulling it together for one more game.
Title winning team shouldn't just go to **** basically overnight.
De Boer would have us playing his way, whether we actually could do or not. With the likes of Mata, Januzaj, Kagawa and all the other creative players, it is hard to think of anything worse under another manager.
Ryan Giggs as player-manager until the end of the season isn't a bad call actually.
What is his way? And if we couldnt play his way, we'd still be in the ****. Nothing resolved.
That's not the point. My point is unless we are ready and able to poach someone, then you dont fire him ( or anyone).
Lets just say Tom Cleverley may embrace it....
I know how he plays, much as I know how Moyes plays. There are still the same parallels here
Not quite proven at the top (FdB eveb more so) capable of attractive football (FdB winning this) but still needing those players to play their relevant styles.
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There's a certain husky voiced Portuguese chap I hear is out of work.....in all seriousness if United don't turn over the deficit in the return leg questions need to be asked this is a team United should be beating or at the very least not capitulating against them I couldn't quite believe how poor they were it was staggering, although I haven't watched united to many times this season so I couldn't say if it's the worst they've played
Know how I told you you give some people too much faith?
Yeah. Think this might be one of those times.
I'm not advocating getting rid of Moyes now, but if you season ends this way then surely, surely he has to go.
Not sure I'd class it as 'very good'. Very EFFECTIVE, maybe.
Like I said, its still Manchester United. If we assume the club is still able to poach some top talent players in the summer, then by the same logic it will always be able to poach some good managers.