You could argue that Rooney only has to cover so much of the pitch to make up for others not doing their job.
That's being a bit ridiculous. He doesn't end up out of position, because he gets back INTO position after he's won the ball.
Nobody's saying that's the only reason Rooney should be kept over Van Persie, just one of many.
That is probably true, but Rooney gets frustrated when he's off the ball. Thus he drops much deeper to win possession.You could argue that Rooney only has to cover so much of the pitch to make up for others not doing their job.
No, it shows there's a small margin between Rooney and RVP in distance covered. RVP could be running in a circle for 90 for all those stats prove.
And that's probably about right. Remember the 2011-12 season where Rooney scored so many? That's because he had a balanced team behind him, and he could focus on stay up front and scoring. The next season United won but were a less balanced team, and Rooney scored less and worked harder.
He averages 1 tackle per game. Thats one ball. You can argue that his presence and pressing results in few more won possessions, but you can say the same for RVP. Those margins are too small to be deciding factor. And RVP pressing on CDs is good.
If I recall correctly, season 09/10 was best for Rooney, netting almost 35 goals. If he can do that again, be that kind of a player, a bit more selfish and hold his position as a main striker, that would be great. But I somehow doubt it.
And since players carriers are too short to standards sample ( 1000 I think), 4 years are good enough. In last 4 years they played similar amount of games. RVP might be injury prone, but so is Rooney.
No comment. It's like you never watched RVP. He does get involved, he does drop if needed. He just has better football brain to know when to, and when not to. Yes, we all love Rooney for his last inch tackles, covering for side defenders. But RVP works hard as well. It's a shame no-one recognize that.
Had different role. Was playing behind Hernandez if I'm not mistaken. Yes, Rooney can score, so can RVP. I'm giving the edge to RVP for his football IQ and general technique.
Like I said, thats nice, but do you want from your striker to do that? Yes, it can be useful and Rooney is better pick than RVP when playing Barcelona or Bayern, but Rooney seems to drift out of position. That can be good, but that is bad as well.
That KMPH shows that there's small margin between Rooney and RVP when it comes to work rate.
Is he less injury prone and fitter? He is more versatile and younger, but thats the only thing for me that Rooney has over RVP. His ball control and general lack of technique, possibly even football I.Q. sets me in RVP's corner. I think Rooney lost good piece of his technical ability in last 3-4 years. Even physically he's not imposing anymore.
I don't argue Rooney's better at pressing and winning the ball, even tough my previous comment might suggest that. All I'm saying RVP is hardly a lazy sob. He does work hard. He does cover a lot of ground.Except you missed the fact that Rooney's also made 28 interceptions on top of his 28 tackles. So that's 56 wins of the ball to Van Persie's 15.
Also, Van Persie's pressing of centre-backs really isn't that good. In terms of total possessions won, Rooney has 115. Van Persie has 37. Want to know how many of Van Persie's have been won in the opposition third? Six.
In other words, Rooney has won possession more than three times as much as Van Persie, and (having won a team-high 13 possessions in the opposition third despite playing deeper than Van Persie mostly) he does it in more useful positions too.
Rooney playing striker is something that I like more than Rooney playing #10. One of the main reasons why I would rather see Rooney sold is I somehow doubt if RVP gets sold, Rooney will be moved in his position.More like if he could actually rely on his team to do that and not have another striker playing up front, then maybe he'd actually be able to recreate that. But I somehow doubt it for those reasons.
Because there are most recent years. Feel free to focus on their entire carrier, you'll see that Rooney is injury prone as well.Why focus on just the last four years? Why not go for the biggest sample size available? You're just picking and choosing your years to back up your argument here.
How so? Although I only have stats for UCL, how does KMPH covered not showing his effort? I honestly don't understand. It's like Hernandez all over again. Some guy was arguing he doesn't work hard enough and he's lazy just waiting for the ball. The number of runs Hernandez makes, sprints left and right is amazing. RVP covers almost as much ground as Rooney does. Yet Rooney is god of work ethic and RVP is lazy ****.It's also a shame that the stats don't back it up.
No, I base his higher 'football IQ' on the base of his runs and getting into good positions. I haven't seen Rooney doing that too much in last three seasons, probably because he was playing off the striker. However some runs that RVP do are just so good.So that makes it even more impressive given Rooney was only a few goals behind RVP that season in the Prem despite playing as an secunda punta. Giving the edge to RVP based on his 'football IQ' is nonsensical given you've based your entire idea of him having a high 'football IQ' on him only occasionally pressing. RVP has a better technique, undeniably, but Rooney has easily been the better player over the course of their careers and RVP will be hitting the first steps of the final slope down all too soon.
See the part about Hernandez.Hmmm kinda but not really because them stats do not show where the work was carried out its all well and good covering ground but if the work is not effective then its a detriment to your team Godcubed has pretty much shown that too with the stats also
I don't know if RVP is superior player to Rooney, but I think he fits better.Dude, I think we would all agree that on paper RVP is by far superior footballer to just about anyone in the team, but if its not working, its not working. When two best performances of the season happen after he is injured, that's hardly a coincidence. Plus he's into his 30s, on high wages, and his injury problems are only going to get worse.
RVP is a better player. Rooney in front of that trio makes us a better team. Team comes first for me
I don't argue Rooney's better at pressing and winning the ball, even tough my previous comment might suggest that. All I'm saying RVP is hardly a lazy sob. He does work hard. He does cover a lot of ground.
Rooney playing striker is something that I like more than Rooney playing #10. One of the main reasons why I would rather see Rooney sold is I somehow doubt if RVP gets sold, Rooney will be moved in his position.
Because there are most recent years. Feel free to focus on their entire carrier, you'll see that Rooney is injury prone as well.
How so? Although I only have stats for UCL, how does KMPH covered not showing his effort? I honestly don't understand. It's like Hernandez all over again. Some guy was arguing he doesn't work hard enough and he's lazy just waiting for the ball. The number of runs Hernandez makes, sprints left and right is amazing. RVP covers almost as much ground as Rooney does. Yet Rooney is god of work ethic and RVP is lazy ****.
No, I base his higher 'football IQ' on the base of his runs and getting into good positions. I haven't seen Rooney doing that too much in last three seasons, probably because he was playing off the striker. However some runs that RVP do are just so good.
Really?
Yeah I'm not sure about that either. Van Persie may be the more technically accomplished player but Rooney's far more effective. It's the reason why Fred starts for Brazil just on a smaller scale: Fred's not as much of a 'footballer' as Leandro Damiao, but he's a better football player. Same thing here, just obviously much closer together since Rooney's obviously a fantastically gifted footballer.
I don't know if RVP is superior player to Rooney, but I think he fits better.